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Frankfooter

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The only connectivity is the radical left shows up for all these shindigs. I've heard Antifa is present in L.A. This is a micro segment of the population not a microcosm of the population.

By shining a light on L.A. Trump who tends to view the Democrats as hostile adversaries has put them in a box. Public sentiment is not with the protesters. Democrats like Newsom have to decide to alienate the far left or more mainstream voters. It's a real devil's choice for a Democratic politician.

You are correct there will be many protests this summer. There would have been regardless. The radical left has decided if they don't get there way at the ballot box they will rage. I don't think the protests are helping whatever cause the protesters are championing.
You show a fundamental misunderstanding of the american economy and reality.

The US is a settler colonialist empire, but its global empire is fading and it relies heavily on cheap, undocumented immigrant workers with no rights to do the work americans don't want to anymore. California, Texas and Florida rely the most heavily on cheap, imported workers that trump now wants to ban. MAGA has a massive conflict with the billionaire/oligarch class on this issue, billionaires just want cheap labour and don't care who it is but the base sees them as competitors even though they take jobs they never would. trump rose to power by riding economic anger of the disappearing middle class by misdirecting it as racism, but that's pissing of the real people with money now at the same time its pissing off his base.

The MAGA base is starting to realize that trump's racism won't bring back the good old days, all they get is cuts to social services.

There are 1500 protests against trump planned this weekend. You would term the half of the country that doesn't back trump as 'radical left'.

 

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Imagine thinking it's a flex to torch a city while waving a foreign flag... the flag of a country that they're fighting to NOT be deported to.

Let's go to Mexico and start waving Canadian flags, destroy property, & demand to stay illegally and see what they do.

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Trump is the greatest human being on planet Earth. That's the problem, he's not Apollo. His health is deteriorating fast, he may be in a wheelchair by the end of the year. Will he dress up like General Patton for his glorious military parade.

 
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Insidious Von

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Why is The King of Kings wasting resources on LA when he needs to help his Immortal Beloved against Ukraine's vampire cadres?

 

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Trump is the greatest human being on planet Earth. That's the problem, he's not Apollo. His health is deteriorating fast, he may be in a wheelchair by the end of the year. Will he dress up like General Patton for his glorious military parade.

:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

Insidious Von

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Like Gene Hackman, George C Scott was an ex-Marine. Like Hackman, his counselor advised him to take up acting to help him integrate into society. Trump would be terrified of him, I hope he steals his regails for his glorious birthday parade.

 

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Imagine thinking it's a flex to torch a city while waving a foreign flag... the flag of a country that they're fighting to NOT be deported to.

Let's go to Mexico and start waving Canadian flags, destroying property, demanding to be able to stay illegally and see what they do.

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Half of Canada thinks Israel is committing the genocide that trump and the US are funding.
Backing genocide, tax breaks for the rich and ICE kidnappings is killing trump at the polls.



 

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Half of Canada thinks Israel is committing the genocide that trump and the US are funding.
Backing genocide, tax breaks for the rich and ICE kidnappings is killing trump at the polls.
Stop conflating issues.

ICE deporting illegals is a separate issue from what's happening in Gaza.
 

WyattEarp

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As I said. You are, imo, not looking at the Macro.

Couple this with AI killing entry level white collar jobs and numerous mid level ones. Tariffs killing several small e commerce business models. Border controls hurting tourism. Inflation, stagflation, high interest, a real estate crisis looming, a debt crisis, both student loan and credit card looming. Higher prices due to tariffs and businesses taking advantage of this to rise domestic pricing on locally produced goods. A population now possibly where 4 generations, starting with Gen X, and definitely after, that are worse off than their parents.

Now mix in a consumer confidence drop, resulting in a downward spiral of discretionary spending by those that might waver either way normally, a bill that is trying to kill Medicaid and social services for the most vulnerable, a continuing drug crisis, and the perception growing in the populace of an indifferent and arguably hostile administration hell bent on harming them. Increasing military use and threats to use more. A surveillance state that more people are waking up too.

And that's just the domestic. Internationally the question of the USA as the reserve currency in the face of isolationism, trade wars that with cause longer term supply chain problems, and TACO which means a loss of prestige for the office in ALL things.

It is imo a powder keg years in the making. Awaiting the match. Maybe this year maybe next, but somehow I don't think the promise of a midterms correction will be enough.
As I said, your mixed bag of everything just gets bigger and bigger. A lot the problems and challenges are global in nature and may even impact Canada and Europe harder. Canadians are now every well of the stagnation that has existed at a macro level. This just doesn't just affect incomes. It affects the government's ability to fund social welfare programs.

It's okay for disagreement. Turning your arguments always into a kitchen sink approach is a quick way to mask the matter at hand. The immigration protests offer no bridge to other societal grievances. Attempts to do so will lack focus and clarity. This only will hurt the Democrats particularly those who don't choose their battles wisely.
 

WyattEarp

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You miss the point. The point is, Trump is super happy about the protest in California. He is ecstatic because his tariffs are an absolute catastrophe, tourism is down 60%, ICE is not even deporting faster then Biden was after 5 months, Musk turned on him, the Jet gift from the Muslim was not very well received.... So far he is a fucking disaster. So of course the California situation is giving him a big fucking smile and he won't miss that.
I responded to quip about J6 protesters' masks. Are you trying a find a pathway to other arguments?

In any event, if ICE isn't deporting as many as under Biden in the first five months I am confused as to why the left is losing their shit over deportations. This suggestion will likely go to no avail, but trying thinking through what you are reading. Understand the author's bias and whether their logic holds beyond meaningless rhetoric and is it worth repeating.
 

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I responded to quip about J6 protesters' masks. Are you trying a find a pathway to other arguments?

In any event, if ICE isn't deporting as many as under Biden in the first five months I am confused as to why the left is losing their shit over deportations. This suggestion will likely go to no avail, but trying thinking through what you are reading. Understand the author's bias and whether their logic holds beyond meaningless rhetoric and is it worth repeating.
Wasn't Obama known as the "Deporter In-Chief"? Holds the record for deportations I believe.

But I guess he spoke eloquently when kicking people out so everyone is ok with that.
 

WyattEarp

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Wasn't Obama known as the "Deporter In-Chief"? Holds the record for deportations I believe.

But I guess he spoke eloquently when kicking people out so everyone is ok with that.
There's a lot of drama that plays out on mainstream media and social media.
 

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As I said, your mixed bag of everything just gets bigger and bigger. A lot the problems and challenges are global in nature and may even impact Canada and Europe harder. Canadians are now every well of the stagnation that has existed at a macro level. This just doesn't just affect incomes. It affects the government's ability to fund social welfare programs.

It's okay for disagreement. Turning your arguments always into a kitchen sink approach is a quick way to mask the matter at hand. The immigration protests offer no bridge to other societal grievances. Attempts to do so will lack focus and clarity. This only will hurt the Democrats particularly those who don't choose their battles wisely.
I am discussing what is fueling the protests. Imo it isn't just this one issue. It is a growing discontent. And these things can evolve.

We are at what, 5 days now? Curfews? Marines? Mass arrests? And they appear to be spreading.

The recent polling does indeed show a slight majority approve of deportations. However what is also in the tabs is how the American people are disapproving of HOW they are going about it. And WHO they are targeting.

They are not targeting criminals and leeches. They are targeting workplaces. And doing so in a heavy handed way with marked up, no names, camo wearing personal. Using unmarked vehicles and snatching up on the street. There is footage of them snatching mom's and leaving kids behind now.

The story is the Trump administration wants to suspend habeas corpus. Is this something, along with what's going on, the actual how, that you approve of?
 

WyattEarp

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I am discussing what is fueling the protests. Imo it isn't just this one issue. It is a growing discontent. And these things can evolve.

We are at what, 5 days now? Curfews? Marines? Mass arrests? And they appear to be spreading.

The recent polling does indeed show a slight majority approve of deportations. However what is also in the tabs is how the American people are disapproving of HOW they are going about it. And WHO they are targeting.

They are not targeting criminals and leeches. They are targeting workplaces. And doing so in a heavy handed way with marked up, no names, camo wearing personal. Using unmarked vehicles and snatching up on the street. There is footage of them snatching mom's and leaving kids behind now.

The story is the Trump administration wants to suspend habeas corpus. Is this something, along with what's going on, the actual how, that you approve of?
You're taking the discussion to more and more avenues.

If you think that things are so bad in the U.S. and all these grievance groups will band together to fuel general unrest, that's your opinion.
 
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