Trump deploys National Guard.

jalimon

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Trump is too old to become a demigod or King except in his own mind . If he had started earlier then I might agree with you and it would be possible but now he is an octogenarian wearing a diaper and just getting started.
Too little, too late
Trump made it possible. He opened the way for other to follow suit.

Trump exposed how incredibly stupid the Americans are collectively and how fast they can become a regime the nation's founder fought not to be.
 

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I think you are being too narrow in your focus. I have been seeing developers/builders in Florida, and farmers everywhere, discussing how their business model is screwed by the loss of illegals. And the hospitality industry will be hard it as well. In a time of corporate gouging/inflation and business/govts refusing to raise wages this is only making things worse for average Americans.
At first, I thought you were merely a gadfly in the ointment. It can be interesting and you can offer alternative insights.

However, you have to be careful to not to throw out too many ideas that don't hold well together. Sure on social media, you will find people on both the left and the right who will simply nod along. Yeah, that's right.

Change is always going to be bad for someone. I was reading your first point that illegal immigration is part of the business model. I don't see why anything illegal has to be permanently and unofficially in code. Yeah, I know contractors who do very well that know how to tap into a steady stream of illegal migrant workers. There is an informal network in place.

If you think about economics objectively, no industry will be completely screwed. You can predict wages in sectors will go up. Industries under strain (i.e. agriculture) will lobby for temporary work visas. Will profit margins be reduced? Of course. In the short run, most certainly. If you built a business with illegal migrant labor, you were likely able to make some decent money.

When the economy changes as it always does, it's impossible to predict where supply, demand and profits will be in the future. Here's a point. The hospitality industry will adapt. Countries where the minimum wage is comparably high with tight migration have restaurants that don't offer table service in even mid-level establishments. It's obvious that many uber and taxi drivers are immigrants. Fares will go up. Technology might make drivers a moot point. The economy is always changing, innovating and adapting.

In the U.S. we are accustomed to a high level of service because as you pointed out so eloquently we have always had low wage, black market labor. Most Americans don't think that needs to be or should be informally codified. Then you can break your argument down with numbers. What is the correct number of immigrants? Did the U.S. need ten million more people come through the Southern border over the last four years. Before that, empirically wages for low-skilled were going up before that (I think that's good, yes?). There didn't seem to be any major sticking points in the labor market. I think it's healthier for the economy to have some competition for labor at all levels.

Lastly, you're forgetting that the workers in ag, hospitality, drivers etc. are not planning to stay put. They're going to try to move into better paying jobs competing with the very people many here claim to support.

To paraphrase a famous singer-songwriter, all we are saying is give restricting the supply of labor a chance.
 
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The LA riots are a microcosm. This shit is likely to spread. It's why Trump is going full military so quickly imo. There is genuine fear of an escalation they cannot keep a lid on.
The only connectivity is the radical left shows up for all these shindigs. I've heard Antifa is present in L.A. This is a micro segment of the population not a microcosm of the population.

By shining a light on L.A. Trump who tends to view the Democrats as hostile adversaries has put them in a box. Public sentiment is not with the protesters. Democrats like Newsom have to decide to alienate the far left or more mainstream voters. It's a real devil's choice for a Democratic politician.

You are correct there will be many protests this summer. There would have been regardless. The radical left has decided if they don't get there way at the ballot box they will rage. I don't think the protests are helping whatever cause the protesters are championing.
 

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Your usual lack of perspective never fails to surprise. There are reports the more violent protesters are targeting independent journalists that show protesters in a bad light.

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Stop the perspective Wyatt. You are constantly trying to put perspective to a complete moron who is fooling you in the ass all day, every day.
 

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Yesterday, Trump was glued to the TV (while downing a few dozen Diet Cokes and cheeseburgers).
You say this like there is something wrong with this. I was thinking about a Diet Coke and cheeseburger along with some TV tonight. 😋

Hey, weren't you the guy who last year was saying having a cabal running the country was a good thing? Yeah, bet you weren't thinking that they were feeding Joe tapioca while another one was in the Oval Office with the autopen. ;)
 

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At first, I thought you were merely a gadfly in the ointment. It can be interesting and you can offer alternative insights.

However, you have to be careful to not to throw out too many ideas that don't hold well together. Sure on social media, you will find people on both the left and the right who will simply nod along. Yeah, that's right.

Change is always going to be bad for someone. I was reading your first point that illegal immigration is part of the business model. I don't see why anything illegal has to be permanently and unofficially in code. Yeah, I know contractors who do very well that know how to tap into a steady stream of illegal migrant workers. There is an informal network in place.

If you think about economics objectively, no industry will be completely screwed. You can predict wages in sectors will go up. Industries under strain (i.e. agriculture) will lobby for temporary work visas. Will profit margins be reduced? Of course. In the short run, most certainly. If you built a business with illegal migrant labor, you were likely able to make some decent money.

When the economy changes as it always does, it's impossible to predict where supply, demand and profits will be in the future. Here's a point. The hospitality industry will adapt. Countries where the minimum wage is comparably high with tight migration have restaurants that don't offer table service in even mid-level establishments. It's obvious that many uber and taxi drivers are immigrants. Fares will go up. Technology might make drivers a moot point. The economy is always changing, innovating and adapting.

In the U.S. we are accustomed to a high level of service because as you pointed out so eloquently we have always had low wage, black market labor. Most Americans don't think that needs to be or should be informally codified. Then you can break your argument down with numbers. What is the correct number of immigrants? Did the U.S. need ten million more people come through the Southern border over the last four years. Before that, empirically wages for low-skilled were going up before that (I think that's good, yes?). There didn't seem to be any major sticking points in the labor market. I think it's healthier for the economy to have some competition for labor at all levels.

Lastly, you're forgetting that the workers in ag, hospitality, drivers etc. are not planning to stay put. They're going to try to move into better paying jobs competing with the very people many here claim to support.

To paraphrase a famous singer-songwriter, all we are saying is give restricting the supply of labor a chance.
As I said. You are, imo, not looking at the Macro.

Couple this with AI killing entry level white collar jobs and numerous mid level ones. Tariffs killing several small e commerce business models. Border controls hurting tourism. Inflation, stagflation, high interest, a real estate crisis looming, a debt crisis, both student loan and credit card looming. Higher prices due to tariffs and businesses taking advantage of this to rise domestic pricing on locally produced goods. A population now possibly where 4 generations, starting with Gen X, and definitely after, that are worse off than their parents.

Now mix in a consumer confidence drop, resulting in a downward spiral of discretionary spending by those that might waver either way normally, a bill that is trying to kill Medicaid and social services for the most vulnerable, a continuing drug crisis, and the perception growing in the populace of an indifferent and arguably hostile administration hell bent on harming them. Increasing military use and threats to use more. A surveillance state that more people are waking up too.

And that's just the domestic. Internationally the question of the USA as the reserve currency in the face of isolationism, trade wars that with cause longer term supply chain problems, and TACO which means a loss of prestige for the office in ALL things.

It is imo a powder keg years in the making. Awaiting the match. Maybe this year maybe next, but somehow I don't think the promise of a midterms correction will be enough.
 

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Stop the perspective Wyatt. You are constantly trying to put perspective to a complete moron who is fooling you in the ass all day, every day.
Sorry bud, you were making a quip related to J6 protesters wearing masks. Given many LA protesters are wearing masks, I am merely pointing out the lack of perspective.

The other thing that many of the LA protesters have in common with some of the J6 crowd is a penchant for flamboyant costumes. I remember when protesters just had signs and chants. Now it seems protesters want to put on a spectacle. Perhaps they want to be on camera.
 

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The only connectivity is the radical left shows up for all these shindigs. I've heard Antifa is present in L.A. This is a micro segment of the population not a microcosm of the population.

By shining a light on L.A. Trump who tends to view the Democrats as hostile adversaries has put them in a box. Public sentiment is not with the protesters. Democrats like Newsom have to decide to alienate the far left or more mainstream voters. It's a real devil's choice for a Democratic politician.

You are correct there will be many protests this summer. There would have been regardless. The radical left has decided if they don't get there way at the ballot box they will rage. I don't think the protests are helping whatever cause the protesters are championing.
Speartip. Imo more is coming. Of course it won't be the entire population suddenly rising up. Most people can't afford to be arrested, seen on social media, have families.

My question is, what happens when they don't feel they have anything to lose. This reaction to protests is extreme. Threatening using 700 Marines? That's panicking imo.
 
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You say this like there is something wrong with this. I was thinking about a Diet Coke and cheeseburger along with some TV tonight. 😋

Hey, weren't you the guy who last year was saying having a cabal running the country was a good thing? Yeah, bet you weren't thinking that they were feeding Joe tapioca while another one was in the Oval Office with the autopen. ;)
You miss the point. The point is, Trump is super happy about the protest in California. He is ecstatic because his tariffs are an absolute catastrophe, tourism is down 60%, ICE is not even deporting faster then Biden was after 5 months, Musk turned on him, the Jet gift from the Muslim was not very well received.... So far he is a fucking disaster. So of course the California situation is giving him a big fucking smile and he won't miss that.
 

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You miss the point. The point is, Trump is super happy about the protest in California. He is ecstatic because his tariffs are an absolute catastrophe, tourism is down 60%, ICE is not even deporting faster then Biden was after 5 months, Musk turned on him, the Jet gift from the Muslim was not very well received.... So far he is a fucking disaster. So of course the California situation is giving him a big fucking smile and he won't miss that.
Created the problem to deflect from other issues. Blue state vengeance . When he sees people peacefully standing around with Mexican flags for days, and burning a couple of cars, and otherwise being perfectly harmless he stages an insurrection crisis. National Guard. US marines. Jan 6th real insurrection watched tv and ate popcorn. For those interested enough you can watch Erin Burnet in a helmet day after day on CNN giving a minute-by-minute coverage of nothing.
 

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They don't understand the American psyche and basic optics.

Few Americans are going to get behind folks waving the flag of another country in their backyard let alone while those same people burn, loot, steal, curse, and protest their host nation.

They love Mexico so much that they don't want to live there. Make it make sense.

These are precisely the people Americans don't want living in the USA.
 
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