Trump deploys National Guard.

WyattEarp

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Real leadership requires doing what's right even when it's unpopular.

It's what separates Trump from any other president in my lifetime.
Unpopular might not be the right word. Discomforting and difficult might be better adjectives.

The situation in L.A. is a display by the Trump Administration that immigration laws will be enforced. These laws and the Trump Administration's management of immigration appear to be supported by the American public.

Americans gained a real understanding of the problems with trying to allow entry to anyone that wanted to come to the U.S.
(Canadians do not have experience with the magnitude of this problem. It's largely a conceptional and idealistic issue for Canadians looking at the U.S.)
 
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Unpopular might not be the right word. Discomforting and difficult might be better adjectives.

The situation in L.A. is a display by the Trump Administration that immigration laws will be enforced. These laws and the Trump Administration's management of immigration appear to be supported by the American public.

Americans gained a real understanding of the problems with trying to allow entry to anyone that wanted to come to the U.S.
(Canadians do not have experience with the magnitude of this problem. It's largely a conceptional and idealistic issue for Canadians looking at the U.S.)
Your posts sound reasonable at first read but ignore the fact that the felon in charge is not reasonable or interested in the law or human rights.
Just power and money.


 
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Plutocrat rule has it's drawback. Louis XV reneged on his father's promise to lighten the tax load on the peasantry. The peasants saved France during the Battle of Malplaquet. The plutocrats found out the hard way that brutalizing the peasantry does always work.
I think you going to see a general escalation. There are a lot of policy decisions many economic that are going to harm people.
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But I believe the USA has been sitting on a powderkeg that has been building up since Occupy Wall St.
There has to be some conception that we are on a thread that is indirectly discussing what to do with millions of people that entered the country illegally the last four years. Do you all understand this? Attempts to mix in economic dissatisfaction with the LA protests is spinning the mixed bag of everything.

Drawing a line on this thread to income inequity is an obtuse argument. This not to mention the contradiction that illegal migrants come here for a better life that you have decided for everyone is not good or fair life.
 
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With a 4-hour delay...

The pardoned insurrectionists were probably hired by ICE. After all they already had the mask.
Your usual lack of perspective never fails to surprise. There are reports the more violent protesters are targeting independent journalists that show protesters in a bad light.

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This is just conservative commentary, but it's an interesting take. Is the National Guard presence a good thing (J6) or is it a bad thing?

 
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There has to be some conception that we are on a thread that is indirectly discussing what to do with millions of people that entered the country illegally the last four years. Do you all understand this? Attempts to mix in economic dissatisfaction with the LA protests is spinning the mixed bag of everything.

Drawing a line on this thread to income inequity is an obtuse argument. This not to mention the contradiction that illegal migrants come here for a better life that you have decided for everyone is not good or fair life.
I think you are being too narrow in your focus. I have been seeing developers/builders in Florida, and farmers everywhere, discussing how their business model is screwed by the loss of illegals. And the hospitality industry will be hard it as well. In a time of corporate gouging/inflation and business/govts refusing to raise wages this is only making things worse for average Americans.

The LA riots are a microcosm. This shit is likely to spread. It's why Trump is going full military so quickly imo. There is genuine fear of an escalation they cannot keep a lid on.
 

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I don't agree with this, Trump cannot become God-King of America without killing his enemies or those who resist his majestic rule. Franco and Pinochet didn't hesitate to slaughter to establish their regimes - neither ended up like Mussolini. How many medals will TACO display during his glorious military parade?


Was Kyle Rittenhouse not available?

Trump is too old to become a demigod or King except in his own mind . If he had started earlier then I might agree with you and it would be possible but now he is an octogenarian wearing a diaper and just getting started.
Too little, too late
 

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Your usual lack of perspective never fails to surprise. There are reports the more violent protesters are targeting independent journalists that show protesters in a bad light.

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Your willingness to support authouritarian rule and state violence on its citizens sadly is never surprising.

You should read the WSJ article linked below and understand what you are buying into with DOGE and Palantir.


 

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Trump is too old to become a demigod or King except in his own mind . If he had started earlier then I might agree with you and it would be possible but now he is an octogenarian wearing a diaper and just getting started.
Too little, too late
Trump made it possible. He opened the way for other to follow suit.

Trump exposed how incredibly stupid the Americans are collectively and how fast they can become a regime the nation's founder fought not to be.
 

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I think you are being too narrow in your focus. I have been seeing developers/builders in Florida, and farmers everywhere, discussing how their business model is screwed by the loss of illegals. And the hospitality industry will be hard it as well. In a time of corporate gouging/inflation and business/govts refusing to raise wages this is only making things worse for average Americans.
At first, I thought you were merely a gadfly in the ointment. It can be interesting and you can offer alternative insights.

However, you have to be careful to not to throw out too many ideas that don't hold well together. Sure on social media, you will find people on both the left and the right who will simply nod along. Yeah, that's right.

Change is always going to be bad for someone. I was reading your first point that illegal immigration is part of the business model. I don't see why anything illegal has to be permanently and unofficially in code. Yeah, I know contractors who do very well that know how to tap into a steady stream of illegal migrant workers. There is an informal network in place.

If you think about economics objectively, no industry will be completely screwed. You can predict wages in sectors will go up. Industries under strain (i.e. agriculture) will lobby for temporary work visas. Will profit margins be reduced? Of course. In the short run, most certainly. If you built a business with illegal migrant labor, you were likely able to make some decent money.

When the economy changes as it always does, it's impossible to predict where supply, demand and profits will be in the future. Here's a point. The hospitality industry will adapt. Countries where the minimum wage is comparably high with tight migration have restaurants that don't offer table service in even mid-level establishments. It's obvious that many uber and taxi drivers are immigrants. Fares will go up. Technology might make drivers a moot point. The economy is always changing, innovating and adapting.

In the U.S. we are accustomed to a high level of service because as you pointed out so eloquently we have always had low wage, black market labor. Most Americans don't think that needs to be or should be informally codified. Then you can break your argument down with numbers. What is the correct number of immigrants? Did the U.S. need ten million more people come through the Southern border over the last four years. Before that, empirically wages for low-skilled were going up before that (I think that's good, yes?). There didn't seem to be any major sticking points in the labor market. I think it's healthier for the economy to have some competition for labor at all levels.

Lastly, you're forgetting that the workers in ag, hospitality, drivers etc. are not planning to stay put. They're going to try to move into better paying jobs competing with the very people many here claim to support.

To paraphrase a famous singer-songwriter, all we are saying is give restricting the supply of labor a chance.
 
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The LA riots are a microcosm. This shit is likely to spread. It's why Trump is going full military so quickly imo. There is genuine fear of an escalation they cannot keep a lid on.
The only connectivity is the radical left shows up for all these shindigs. I've heard Antifa is present in L.A. This is a micro segment of the population not a microcosm of the population.

By shining a light on L.A. Trump who tends to view the Democrats as hostile adversaries has put them in a box. Public sentiment is not with the protesters. Democrats like Newsom have to decide to alienate the far left or more mainstream voters. It's a real devil's choice for a Democratic politician.

You are correct there will be many protests this summer. There would have been regardless. The radical left has decided if they don't get there way at the ballot box they will rage. I don't think the protests are helping whatever cause the protesters are championing.
 

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Your usual lack of perspective never fails to surprise. There are reports the more violent protesters are targeting independent journalists that show protesters in a bad light.

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Stop the perspective Wyatt. You are constantly trying to put perspective to a complete moron who is fooling you in the ass all day, every day.
 

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Yesterday, Trump was glued to the TV (while downing a few dozen Diet Cokes and cheeseburgers).
You say this like there is something wrong with this. I was thinking about a Diet Coke and cheeseburger along with some TV tonight. 😋

Hey, weren't you the guy who last year was saying having a cabal running the country was a good thing? Yeah, bet you weren't thinking that they were feeding Joe tapioca while another one was in the Oval Office with the autopen. ;)
 
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