UK using 'fake boundaries' in Iran dispute - former British envoy

[scouser1]

Sorta like Israel has been there since the beginning of time?

ohhh really now, with the exception of the religious made up stories of virgins giving birth, guys splitting seas, people turning into pillars of salt and drops of oil lasting 8 days, what are you basing this on? or are you just the Jews look like us so they are good and the Palestinians dont so they are bad type of neo con.

 

[persis]

But for the purposes of which we are speaking Iraq is a successor state to the Ottoman Empire which in this sense was a successor state to Abbasid Caliphate. It isn't as though there was this uninhabited region to the west of Iran.

Yes the area west of Iran was never uninhabited or for that matter anywhere in the ME
However the Modern Iraq with its current boundaries was drawn by stroke of a pen on the map by British administrators over the region after the WWI

The region that you are talking about was actually part of Iran, a small region along the banks of the Shat'al Arab River. It was called "Erak-Arabi" by Persians or Iraq for short . . . hint that is one reason why the majority of region’s population is Shiite like the majority of Iranians unlike the rest of Arabs.

 

[onthebottom]

You got it all back ward, but I don’t blame you for your confusion (That is what happens when people source of history is from Movies like 300 & a quick search off www.wikip…..etc)

Iran has been there since the beginning of the time, the modern Iraq with its disputed borders however is a made up country created in 1932 under British Mandate.

The Iran-Iraq boundary argument “It's more just a provisional indication of what Iraq's territorial water claims might be." Says Schofield, King College.
Hint...Sadam went to war over his wishful claim, how about you?...do you feel lucky punk?... jk

I don't think I have it backwards at all, if British sailors were on the wrong side of a line then there must be a line. If you're argument is that there is no line then Iran had no right to take them (which looks painfully obvious at the moment).

Given that Saddam fought Iran to a tie and we kicked his ass in 10 weeks, the real question is, do you feel lucky.... the good news is it won't come to that.

OTB

 

[persis]

I don't think I have it backwards at all, if British sailors were on the wrong side of a line then there must be a line. If you're argument is that there is no line then Iran had no right to take them (which looks painfully obvious at the moment).

Given that Saddam fought Iran to a tie and we kicked his ass in 10 weeks, the real question is, do you feel lucky.... the good news is it won't come to that.

OTB

heheeeeeee

Yes....you kicked Saddam's ass in 10 days after 10 years of severe sanctions that followed an 8 years of war, with a bankrupt economy, a corrupt and hated regime by its people, a broken army that didn't put up a fight but was told to go home.... right!
How about now, it is your ass that is getting kicked for the last five years and on with 3,000 dead American soldiers and 30,000 crippled... not to mention over 3 trillion $ of your treasury spent...
How are they fighting you now... I mean Iraq' people.... a lesson to learn here...don't Fuck around with people...unless you want your ass get kicked around....!
I ask you again... do you feel lucky. You puck?

 

[*d*]

wiki has the Iran/Iraq boundary starting off the mouth of the Shatt at 29 degrees, 51' 16" N by 48 degrees, 44' 45" E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_boundary
All we need now is the British GPS coordinates at the point of the hostage taking.

 

[scouser1]

the Iraqis in the region are Shia because of Iran huh?? me very confused

they are Shia because the major centres of Shia Islam, Karbala, Najaf, Kazimayn are all in southern Iraq, nothing to do with Iran at all

 

[danmand]

wiki has the Iran/Iraq boundary starting off the mouth of the Shatt at 29 degrees, 51' 16" N by 48 degrees, 44' 45" E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_boundary
All we need now is the British GPS coordinates at the point of the hostage taking.

Vice Admiral Charles Style gave the satellite coordinates of the British crew as
29 degrees 50.36 minutes north latitude and 048 degrees 43.08 minutes east longitude,
and said it had been confirmed by an Indian-flagged merchant ship boarded by the sailors and marines.

 

[papasmerf]

ohhh really now, with the exception of the religious made up stories of virgins giving birth, guys splitting seas, people turning into pillars of salt and drops of oil lasting 8 days, what are you basing this on? or are you just the Jews look like us so they are good and the Palestinians dont so they are bad type of neo con.

I am basing it on the oldest of Books.

The Bible.


BTW.........You sound like a NON-BELIEVER.

 

[Aardvark154]

The region that you are talking about was actually part of Iran, a small region along the banks of the Shat'al Arab River. It was called "Erak-Arabi" by Persians or Iraq for short . . . hint that is why the majority of region’s population is Shiite unlike the rest of Arabs.

So you're stating that when the League of Nations Mandate of Mesopotamia was created in 1919 Persian territory was involuntarily taken from Persia and added to the former Ottoman vilayet of Basra?

 

[papasmerf]

heheeeeeee

Yes....you kicked Saddam's ass in 10 days after 10 years of severe sanctions that followed an 8 years of war, with a bankrupt economy, a corrupt and hated regime by its people, a broken army that didn't put up a fight but was told to go home.... right!
How about now, it is your ass that is getting kicked for the last five years and on with 3,000 dead American soldiers and 30,000 crippled... not to mention over 3 trillion $ of your treasury spent...
How are they fighting you now... I mean Iraq' people.... a lesson to learn here...don't Fuck around with people...unless you want your ass get kicked around....!
I ask you again... do you feel lucky. You puck?

Do you feel lucky????? There are those here in the US that would target all uniformed combatants. Any guesses as to what the uniform of the day is for an enemy combatant, in Iraq is??

 

[persis]

So you're stating that when the League of Nations Mandate of Mesopotamia was created in 1919 Persian territory was involuntarily taken from Persia and added to the former Ottoman vilayet of Basra?

It was not taken By Brits (but by Ottoman in late 18th Century), it was drawn incorrectly... like the rest of Iraq, Jordan... not to mention Brit's screwing the whole ME by doing that... without any consideration for History, people's cultures, traditions...etc.... hint we are all now paying dearly for there fuck ups

 

[*d*]

Vice Admiral Charles Style gave the satellite coordinates of the British crew as
29 degrees 50.36 minutes north latitude and 048 degrees 43.08 minutes east longitude,
and said it had been confirmed by an Indian-flagged merchant ship boarded by the sailors and marines.

I'm not that up on my coordinates, but I believe 29 degrees, 50' 36" N is south of 29 degrees, 51' 16" N. That makes the hostage taking south and outside the most southern boundary coordinate between Iran and Iraq. Anyone know their latitudes and longitudes?

 

[papasmerf]

It was not taken, it was drawn incorrectly... like the rest of Iraq, Jordan... not to mention Brit's screwing the whole ME by doing that... without any consideration for History, people's cultures, traditions...etc.... hint we are all now paying dearly for there fuck ups

Hint

Keep pushing and your friends will discover the not all the world cowers before them.........

 

[persis]

Hint

Keep pushing and your friends will discover the not all the world cowers before them.........

Sh*t the F*K up you idiot, don’t you get the hint that most ppls ignoring you, so don’t push you luck!

 

[basketcase]

It was not taken By Brits (but by Ottoman in early 18th Century), it was drawn incorrectly... like the rest of Iraq, Jordan... not to mention Brit's screwing the whole ME by doing that... without any consideration for History, people's cultures, traditions...etc.... hint we are all now paying dearly for there fuck ups

And you have the knowledge to know they are incorrect?

 

[papasmerf]

Sh*t the F*K up you idiot, don’t you get the hint that most ppls ignoring you, so don’t push you luck!

Persis, you seem to have a problem when the other side of the coin is presented. You threaten me with the don't push your luck??

 

[persis]

Persis, you seem to have a problem when the other side of the coin is presented. You threaten me with the don't push your luck??

Yes please stop annoying ppls….
What other side of the coin are you talking about....? You have a side then please present it
You never say anything but one line full of junk..

no wonder you have posted over 15,275 msg here

 

[Aardvark154]

It was not taken By Brits (but by Ottoman in early 18th Century), it was drawn incorrectly... like the rest of Iraq, Jordan... not to mention Brit's screwing the whole ME by doing that... without any consideration for History, people's cultures, traditions...etc.... hint we are all now paying dearly for there fuck ups

So, to put it into other words what you are saying is 'It's yours, but a long time ago it was ours, and damn it you ought to give it back and so if we (Iran) grab British soldiers right off the beach in Iraq, damn it they were in Iranian waters!' How other than the time frame is this any different than saying that Israel is the Biblical home of the Jewish people and that therefore the State of Israel has the right to exist - which doesn't seem a particularly popular idea in Iran at present.

It also seems to me that your grudge is with the Ottoman Empire, so why aren't you lambasting Turkey, rather than complaining about the U.K.

 

[papasmerf]

What other side of the coin you are talking about.... you never say anything but one line full of junk..

You might want to consider the fact that not everyone is willing to offer up their friends in exchange for broken promises.

 

[Aardvark154]

I'm not that up on my coordinates, but I believe 29 degrees, 50' 36" N is south of 29 degrees, 51' 16" N. That makes the hostage taking south and outside the most southern boundary coordinate between Iran and Iraq. Anyone know their latitudes and longitudes?

It's 0 degrees 1' 40" south of the latitude you gave now what we need is the longitude.