Ukraine updates

[Addict2sex]

Yeah, yeah peace-loving vatnik... your concerns for humanity are duly noted.

I think you are so blind with your hatred and anti-phobia of Russian people . You will turn a blind eye the lies and the narrative sprouts from the Ukraine Nazi sympathizer goverments !!


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US senators issued satellite phones for emergency communication: Report

Senators issued satellite phones, offered demonstrations on upgraded security devices

Senate Sergeant at Arms Karen Gibson said the phones are a security backstop in case of an emergency that "takes out communications" in part of the country.

www.cbsnews.com

US senators issued satellite phones for emergency communication: Report

At least 50 U.S. senators have been issued satellite phones to use during emergency situations, according to people familiar with the situation, CBS News

americanmilitarynews.com

At least 50 U.S. senators have been issued satellite phones to use during emergency situations, according to people familiar with the situation, CBS News reported.

The phones were distributed as part of a number of new security efforts from the Senate Sergeant at Arms and were offered to every senator. It is unclear which senators agreed to the take part in the new measure.


Last month, Senate Sergeant at Arms Karen Gibson told the Senate Appropriations Committee that satellite communication will “ensure a redundant and secure means of communication during a disruptive event,” adding that the phones will support security measures during an emergency that “takes out communications” in the United States.

An advisory from the Department of Homeland Security saidsatellite phones are used to “coordinate response and recovery efforts in remote areas, where there are no landline or cellular telephone networks, or in areas where existing networks are damaged or overloaded during a natural disaster (e.g., severe weather or earthquake) or a man-made incident, including potential chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or explosive events.”
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You and some of the leftist on this board ( SchlongConery) have of Zelensky trait or mind set . For example if Zelensky have nuke he would use on Russia and the drag NATO/ USA in full blown world war! Zelensky is a madman! You and a very small number of leftists on this Terb would rather see the whole world in a nuclear holocaust then giving up a single inches of Ukraine territory! Personally, I don’t give a fuck about Ukraine territory or Russian territories!
The one holds the nukes or hypersonic nukes have the upper hands. The world have to live with it ( in this case Putin have the upper hands) just like the world live with North Korea nukes! I see through the Zelensky propaganda!

PS. This footnotes is for “SchlongConery” …Guess you must have lived in the Eastern Bloc behinds the iron curtain in the former Soviet Union must have been scarred by them. Which you have my sympathy for those hidden wounds. But Soviets Union dont exist anymore. And Russia mostly work like capitalism and Russian hockey players play in NHL this is what I noticed . You would rather see world war III then yield a single inches. This often the thinking of ideological person they think they are so right! Refusing to see other point of view.

 

[Addict2sex]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661761775203676160

Unites States stations tactical nuclear weapons in places like Turkey as well some NATO locations in Europe. Turkey is merely across the Black Sea from Russia. This NATO 'nuclear sharing' program has been a reality for decades.

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu additionally explained on Thursday that NATO is using the Ukraine crisis to build up its military infrastructure there:

"NATO is using the Ukrainian crisis as a pretext for building up its groups. Another stage of the alliance's expansion has been launched. Military infrastructure is being modernized in Eastern and Central Europe, strike weapons are being deployed, and the scale and intensity of joint exercises are increasing," Shoigu said at a meeting of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) Council of Defense Ministers.

He also highlighted "the growing aggressive rhetoric and joint 'nuclear missions' by NATO countries in Eastern Europe for practicing the use of nuclear weapons delivery systems, as well as the upgrading of the components of the US global missile defense system."



This seems an 'answer' to the Western allies in terms of the rationale for proceeding with tactical nukes in Belarus.

But for some important context...

 

[jcpro]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661761775203676160

He is smarter than the Ukrainians who gave up their nuclear weapons for the western "guarantees ". He knows that, should Putin be removed, the nukes will safeguard his regime.

 

[Addict2sex]

He is smarter than the Ukrainians who gave up their nuclear weapons for the western "guarantees ". He knows that, should Putin be removed, the nukes will safeguard his regime.

Nothing wrong being smarter then your enemy!

Told my nephew last two year in went to a foreign exchange student program an elective course for scuba diving. I asked them are there shark in the water? He told me yup there shark but the school told them to carry shark repellent. I told him pair up or befriend a weaker swimmer. All you have to do be a better and faster swimmer then your scuba buddy. He or she will be lunch for the sharks . Not you.


PS. Nephew came back safe plus everyone in the school came back safe. The only one small shark they saw had shown no interest in them.

 

[NotADcotor]

Lol

Westmoreland: "The US lost."

You: "It doesn't sound like Westmoreland is saying the US lost."

NotADoctor but clearly also NotAHistorian.

"not lost on the battlefield"
What he says sounds exactly like they lost interest.

It isn't even history at this point, it's English.

Don't be a Jcpro.

 

[NotADcotor]

Bakhmut was a Russian psychological warfare and physical trap which Ukrainian neoNazis and NeoNazis Zelensky fell for it . It was designed to be a meat grinder….They were demolished and destroyed the Russian Army . It was a meat grinder to design and wear out and kill Ukrainian best train NATO force! Facts are aprox 300, 000 thousands Ukrainian killed or wounded! Looking forward when this war be over by end of falls this year! When Ukrainian run out of amino and American won’t fund this 53 state or simply they run out of money and from GOP in Congress won’t supply any mor money!

Well it is partly right.

ALso I thought Ukraine was sending untrained troops into Bakhmut, now you are saying it was grinding their best. Pick a lane dude.
Facts? 300K wounded and dead? Facts are you have sex with ducks, I mean if we are allowed to just make up facts. You keep using the word facts, I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Also cities, well towns, are some of the easiest clay to defend if you don't surround them. Using a frontal assault on a town as a meat grinder for the defender is nucking futs.
As for it being over by the fall of this year, I hope people keep quoting this line over and over so when it nowhere near happens they can shove it back in your face. Of course you will just move the fence posts to some other bullshit and deflect and never ever admit you were wrong.
If it took 7 months to take the equivalent of Cornwall, how prey tell do you expect the rest of Ukraine to fall in less than 7 more months. I don't see any signs of Russia blitzing past Bakhmut or anywhere else now that they took Bakmut.

As I've said before, are you insane or trolling us. Poe's law.

 

[NotADcotor]

Yeah, sure Bruno! A Russian trap

To think that cartoonists knew the Russian mentality so well almost 60 years back shows what a predictable caricature Russians are.

Kinda reminds of me Sir Simon Milligan and his man-servant, Hecubus, when they tried to hypnotize something into thinking they were a chicken and it obviously failed when they called the guy at work the next day and used the trigger word.

Hecubus: But master it failed
Simon: Yes but he is confused and work productivity will go down, down, down!.

 

[NotADcotor]

• Ukraine "has the initiative" but Russia's army should not be written off, they added.

The report did not specify which models comprised the claimed losses or in what proportion, but James Patton Rogers, a University of Southern Denmark war-studies professor and drone expert, told Insider the majority of those being lost were relatively cheap, small commercial drones used for surveillance.

Patton Rogers said that while the figures were likely overestimated, they underlined just how effective Russia's electronic warfare had become at countering Ukraine's extensive use of drones.


But by summer, it was clear that Russia's electronic-warfare and air-defense capabilities had ramped up, Insider's Alia Shoaib reported.

Nonetheless, Patton Rogers said, Ukraine is developing "its own resilient drone systems to fill this gap in capacity."

I thought Ukraine was getting crushed and will lose by this fall?

So the good shit and the expensive shit seems hardened, only the commercial stuff that wasn't designed for war. Good

Took long enough the mooks, they had the gear but didn't think to use it till now. Bravo sarcastic clapping.

To quote Clint Eastwood's gunny Sgt Highway from Heartbreak RIdge... Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Russia still hasn't figured shit out after over a year.


Sounds pretty positive for Ukraine all things considered.

 

[NotADcotor]

You can google it yourself!

The earth is flat, you can google it yourself
The moon landings never happened, you can google it yourself
The holocaust never happened, you can google it yourself
Justin Beiber is a force for good and not history's greatest monster, you can google it yourself.
You don't need to eat to live, Breathatariasm. You can google it yourself
If you just ask the universe for something it will manifest, so when people starve to death in famines, they just don't want food, you can google it yourself.
Vaccines don't work, you can google it yourself.

You can establish just about anything via google. Double plus so if like you, you just ignore authoritive sources that disagree with your thesis and focus on some randos who don't cite anything, or cite each other in a circle jerk or cite things that don't say what they claim it says [aka naturalnews]

 

[NotADcotor]

Unfortunately nuke make the world a lot dangerous place …there no second chance for you and me or for the plebs. Meanswhile the important government’s official and families members and the important military personnel are safe in a bunker. And the billionaire have their private safe bunker from nuclear holcoast!

PS. Once the nuclear genie is released…there no coming back or a reset button for rest of us plebs.

No, there is a reason why the plans are to put the president on an airplane when the balloon goes up. Known locations plus big and potentially accurate bombs, plus ground burst and perhaps multiple hits... Also you have to actually get there. As for Billionaires, sure they got bunkers... well a few of them do but again, it doesn't do much good unless you are there when the fecal matter hits the ventilation system. Also when you get out, it's going to suck [much less then if you were not there]. Also there will be plebs who actually have to follow the orders, plebs with families who are probably not protected, plebs who will wonder how shitty life will be after they leave the bunkers... assuming they got to the bunker and assuming the bunkers wasn't hit with several MT of love.

Add to that going down as the greatest mass murderer since Adolf Hitler, to quote Dr Strangelove. Most people in power care about their legacy, not as if they need more wealth and power.

Which is why your fantasy of Poutine tossing nukes around and then reacting to a conventional counter attack with moar nukes is again insane.

 

[NotADcotor]

Oversupply of semiconductor that have happened! In Business , there is a supply and demand curve ! Demand drop off due to covid19 shutdown in China “World factories” ! And in USA & EU demand fell due to inflation and possibly of recession !

I must of have missed the part where the Chinese economy actually tanked because of the covid shutdowns.They were localized and short term.
Ditto for the west, still waiting for that recession.

You could google that yourself, but you will just read wackjob websites so why bother.

Yeah those covid lockdowns really crushed Chinese production I tell you what.

GDP growth	8.4% (2021)[4] 3.0% (2022)[4] 5.2% (2023f)[4] 4.5% (2024f)

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[NotADcotor]

He is smarter than the Ukrainians who gave up their nuclear weapons for the western "guarantees ". He knows that, should Putin be removed, the nukes will safeguard his regime.

I remember back in the day, I thought getting rid of nukes for guarantees was a bit special needs.

 

[NotADcotor]

Someone really should put Addict's comment about how Ukraine will fall by the end of the year and we are all a bunch of doodie heads [paraphrased] in their signature.

I'd do it, but I didn't choose the strange women in ponds lifestyle, it choose me... OK I choose it also.

 

[SchlongConery]

e. Most people in power care about their legacy, not as if they need more wealth and power.

Which is why your fantasy of Poutine tossing nukes around and then reacting to a conventional counter attack with moar nukes is again insane.

That's what I think too

 

[SchlongConery]

Someone really should put Addict's comment about how Ukraine will fall by the end of the year and we are all a bunch of doodie heads [paraphrased] in their signature.

I'd do it, but I didn't choose the strange women in ponds lifestyle, it choose me... OK I choose it also.

It would take less bandwidth and electricity to mine a bitcoin than putting the Crow Eater's looooong list of guaranteed predictions on anyone's sig line!

 

[SchlongConery]

Ukraine is losing 10,000 drones a month to Russian electronic-warfare systems that send fake signals and screw with their navigation, researchers say

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Ukraine is losing 10,000 drones a month to Russian electronic-warfare systems that send fake signals and screw with their navigation, researchers say
Mia Jankowicz
May 22, 2023, 7:33 AM EDT

Ukraine is losing 10,000 drones a month to Russian electronic-warfare systems that send fake signals and screw with their navigation, researchers say

Sophisticated electronic-warfare systems are contributing to the loss of about 300 Ukrainian drones a day, a new RUSI report found.

www.businessinsider.com

• A new report estimates Ukraine is losing roughly 10,000 drones every month.
• A sophisticated electronic-warfare system is among Russia's biggest strengths, researchers said.
• Ukraine "has the initiative" but Russia's army should not be written off, they added.

A new assessment of Russia's military capabilities on the front line estimated that its forces were taking down about 10,000 Ukrainian drones every month.

Electronic warfare is a "critical component" of Russia's tactics and contributing to the staggering losses of Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles, commonly known as drones, a report released Friday by the UK's Royal United Services Institute found.

The figures — which amount to more than 300 drones a day — were attributed to three unnamed Ukrainian officers interviewed in April and May.

The report did not specify which models comprised the claimed losses or in what proportion, but James Patton Rogers, a University of Southern Denmark war-studies professor and drone expert, told Insider the majority of those being lost were relatively cheap, small commercial drones used for surveillance.


The estimations indicate the unprecedented scale at which UAVs are being used in Ukraine, he said, adding that this was "one of the world's first drone vs. drone conflicts."

Patton Rogers said that while the figures were likely overestimated, they underlined just how effective Russia's electronic warfare had become at countering Ukraine's extensive use of drones.

The RUSI report said that along the roughly 750 miles of the conflict's front line, Russia maintained a major electronic-warfare system roughly every 6 miles. These are set back about 4 miles from the front and focused mainly on neutralizing drones, the report said.

Sophisticated Russian systems such as the Shipovnik-Aero jamming station are hard to detect and can imitate other signals, the researchers said.



"It also has a sophisticated range of effects for downing UAVs," they said, including interfering with navigational systems.
Ukraine fields a wide variety of drones, from small, commercial-grade UAVs often used for reconnaissance or as loitering munitions, up to the multimillion-dollar Bayraktar TB2, capable of taking out Russian tanks.
Drone warfare was a celebrated aspect of Ukraine's early success in holding back the Russian advance, prompting an official fundraising campaign — United24 — which was created to form a "drone army."
But by summer, it was clear that Russia's electronic-warfare and air-defense capabilities had ramped up, Insider's Alia Shoaib reported.

Frontline drone operators told The Guardian in April that one of the most popular models — the DJI commercial drone — was rapidly losing its effectiveness.

Nonetheless, Patton Rogers said, Ukraine is developing "its own resilient drone systems to fill this gap in capacity."

Overall, the RUSI researchers said that after the Russian army's "disaster" of a performance at the outset of the invasion, it had adapted to Ukraine's pushback, even as it continued to struggle with poor morale and effective use of heavy armor and air-force attacks.

"The result is a structure that becomes better over time at managing the problems it immediately faces but also one that struggles to anticipate new threats," the report said.

"Ukraine, today, has the initiative," it added. "But as the Russian military adapts, there can be no room for complacency."

Hey sucker!

Here is the Russian Ministry of Defense themselves bragging they shot down 12 drone in the last 24 hours!

"At its daily briefing on the Ukraine war, Russia's defence ministry said it had destroyed 12 Ukrainian drones in the past 24 hours and intercepted two long-range Storm Shadow cruise missiles that were supplied to Ukraine by Britain."

Ukraine targets Russian oil pipeline installations with drones - Russian media

Ukraine struck oil pipeline installations deep inside Russia on Saturday with a series of drone attacks including on a station serving the Druzhba pipeline, while shelling from Ukraine killed at least two, Russian officials and media said.

www.reuters.com

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So let's do the math.... 12 drones per day x 30 days = 360 drones per month.

Ten thousand drones per month you say?

You are such a gullible chump!


PS. Not one person here believes anything you say or post.

PPS. I bet you don't either.

 

[Addict2sex]

No, there is a reason why the plans are to put the president on an airplane when the balloon goes up. Known locations plus big and potentially accurate bombs, plus ground burst and perhaps multiple hits... Also you have to actually get there. As for Billionaires, sure they got bunkers... well a few of them do but again, it doesn't do much good unless you are there when the fecal matter hits the ventilation system. Also when you get out, it's going to suck [much less then if you were not there]. Also there will be plebs who actually have to follow the orders, plebs with families who are probably not protected, plebs who will wonder how shitty life will be after they leave the bunkers... assuming they got to the bunker and assuming the bunkers wasn't hit with several MT of love.

Add to that going down as the greatest mass murderer since Adolf Hitler, to quote Dr Strangelove. Most people in power care about their legacy, not as if they need more wealth and power.

Which is why your fantasy of Poutine tossing nukes around and then reacting to a conventional counter attack with moar nukes is again insane.

You so full of it… If you are a war hawk general …bet you willing to gamble your life and my life your thinking “ Which is why your fantasy of Poutine tossing nukes around and then reacting to a conventional counter attack with moar nukes is again insane.“

Here Russia nuclear doctrine!

On possible nuclear strike, Russia says: it's all in our military doctrine

On possible nuclear strike, Russia says: it's all in our military doctrine

Asked if Russia would rule out a preemptive tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine, Russia's deputy foreign minister said on Tuesday that a decision on the possible use of nuclear weapons was clearly set out in Russia's military doctrine, RIA reported.

www.reuters.com

LONDON, May 10 (Reuters) - Asked if Russia would rule out a preemptive tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine, Russia's deputy foreign minister said on Tuesday that a decision on the possible use of nuclear weapons was clearly set out in Russia's military doctrine, RIA reported.

"We have a military doctrine - everything is written there," Alexander Grushko was quoted by state news agency RIA as saying.

Russia's official military deployment principles allow for the use of nuclear weapons if they - or other types of weapons of mass destruction - are used against it, or if the Russian state faces an existential threat from conventional weapons.

The decision to use Russia's vast nuclear arsenal, the biggest in the world, rests with the Russian president, currently Vladimir Putin.
Russia's invasion has killed thousands of people, displaced nearly 10 million, and raised fears of a wider confrontation between Russia and the United States - by far the world's biggest nuclear powers.
U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns said on Saturday that Putin believes he cannot afford to lose in Ukraine and cautioned that the West could not ignore the risk of the use of tactical nuclear weapons by Moscow. read more
"We don't see, as an intelligence community, practical evidence at this point of Russian planning for a deployment or even use of tactical nuclear weapons," Burns said.
He cautioned, though, that "the stakes are very high for Putin's Russia."
NUCLEAR STRIKE?
A decree signed by Putin on June 2, 2020, said Russia views its nuclear weapons as "exclusively a means of deterrence".
It repeats the phraseology of the military doctrine but adds details about four circumstances under which a nuclear strike would be ordered. These include reliable information of a ballistic missile attack on Russia and an enemy's attack "on critical state or military installations of the Russian Federation, the incapacitation of which would lead to the disruption of a response by nuclear forces."
Putin, who has repeatedly expressed resentment over the way the West treated Russia after the 1991 fall of the Soviet Union, says Ukraine has been used by the United States to threaten Russia.
He justified his Feb. 24 order for a special military operation by saying Ukraine had persecuted Russian speakers and the United States was keen to enlarge the NATO military alliance in a way that would endanger Russia.
U.S. President Joe Biden casts Putin's invasion of Ukraine as a fight in a much broader global battle between democracy and autocracy. He has also called Putin a war criminal and has said the former KGB spy cannot remain in power.
Ukraine dismisses Russian claims that it persecuted Russian speakers and says it is fighting for its survival. Russia denies Ukrainian and Western accusations that its forces committed war crimes.
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PS. War hawk like you are a freaking menace to the world! There war hawk on both side of this conflict.All it take is one idiotic war hawk to convince their leader to push the button. I already see one senile leader in USA in President Biden that easy to convince to push the nuclear button. The other side Putin if he feel he country is under essential threat or other Russia war hawk able to convince Russia to strike first since they have the advantage! ( Hypersonic nuclear missile) why won’t be justifying using it first to defend mother Russia!


PS. All it take 4 hypersonic nuclear missile to destroy USA.

1) One hypersonic nuclear explosion over middle North America continent atmosphere will created a EMP pulse destroying most of North America infrastructure electrical grid that will destroy every electronic chip and electrical system in North America.

2) One hypersonic nuclear missile on Washington DC. to end all form of government ( White House, Congress, , All 3 letter mostly spy agencies in Washington DC.



3) One hypersonic nuclear in YellowStone National park to trigger a super volcano that will destroy most of USA.

4) One hypersonic nuclear on California to trigger San Andrea Fault Super or Mega Earthquake.

I won’t be surprised if other Russian war hawk generals might tempt convince Putin to used EMP nuclear device on Ukraine to end the war quickly. Used a EMP attack destroyed all Ukrainian defence and then moved quickly to Kiev to end this war quickly!

 

[DinkleMouse]

Once while someone will get fed up and start telling the truth.
When come to war or a proxy war , Truth or some of the truth will eventually come out or leak out when years later or decades later when the conflict ends!

Unfortunately nuke make the world a lot dangerous place …there no second chance for you and me or for the plebs. Meanswhile the important government’s official and families members and the important military personnel are safe in a bunker. And the billionaire have their private safe bunker from nuclear holcoast!

PS. Once the nuclear genie is released…there no coming back or a reset button for rest of us plebs.

So Putin a just, righteous man fighting Nazis in a justified war, in your opinion, but you also believe he's insane enough to use nuclear weapons? Why would you morally back a guy that you think might use nukes?

 

[Addict2sex]

Hey sucker!

Here is the Russian Ministry of Defense themselves bragging they shot down 12 drone in the last 24 hours!

"At its daily briefing on the Ukraine war, Russia's defence ministry said it had destroyed 12 Ukrainian drones in the past 24 hours and intercepted two long-range Storm Shadow cruise missiles that were supplied to Ukraine by Britain."

Ukraine targets Russian oil pipeline installations with drones - Russian media

Ukraine struck oil pipeline installations deep inside Russia on Saturday with a series of drone attacks including on a station serving the Druzhba pipeline, while shelling from Ukraine killed at least two, Russian officials and media said.

www.reuters.com

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So let's do the math.... 12 drones per day x 30 days = 360 drones per month.

Ten thousand drones per month you say?

You are such a gullible chump!


PS. Not one person here believes anything you say or post.

PPS. I bet you don't either.

That was reported by Business insider reporter a liberal newspaper not by a Russian newspaper! So mainstream media fuck up again!
Nothing they say is truth . like Ukraine wining the war! Or Russia losing the war. Or hundreds thousands of Russian die by Ukrainian is true or lies ! So every things the mainstream media AntiPutin or ProUrkraine or Pro Zenlensky is reporting is true!

 

[Addict2sex]

So Putin a just, righteous man fighting Nazis in a justified war, in your opinion, but you also believe he's insane enough to use nuclear weapons? Why would you morally back a guy that you think might use nukes?

I did my research on Ukraine history and Putin ..unfortunately the west is in the wrong side of history! USA have a bad track record of lying and lots of endless war ! ( Syria, Libya, IRAQ, Kosovo, Serbia, Afganstein , Panama war by Ronald Reagan or Contra War , Vietman War) .

Soviet Union is no angel either with crime did did to the people behind Iron Curtain on the Eastern Bloc Countries or their own war too against affganstein too which they lost.
Russia today is not like old socialist government or the old soviets Union . They like capitalism!

Morally backing a guy means squat whether he is right or wrong! He being right might make you feel better, but you have to be realistic!
Sometime is necessary be pragmatic and learn to live with the necessary evil in the world! It hard to tell who telling the turth or lies or half truths or half lies!!
This is part of life. Nuke is the game changer, and for rest of humanity and “ on a enough long time line everyone survival rate drop to zero” . And life continues on for rest of humanity if no one don’t use nuke. And hopefully during this time humanity outlived this madness either caused by Putin or causes by Zelensky or by Biden or by NATO or by MIC, neocons , or neo liberal warhawks, This is a very dangerous time in the world today. Just look a the doomsday clock!

And if nuke are used by anyone… Unfortunately the cockroaches will out live everyone if someone use nuke .

Whoever have the upper hand ...holds the winning nuclear hands ! Putin have the upper hands he have hypersonic nukes! He have the advantage of first strike capability and will inflect the most damage will destroy most of USA and NATO first strike capability!
The second strike and third strike system will be launched by NATO and USA will cause the maybe destroyed part of Russia ( guessing on this) if not most of Russian too. Everyone will lose in the world and maybe China may come out ahead if we don’t get a nuclear winter.

Still holding out on the belief of MADD doctrine so no one panics and pressed the button. That all I care about! I am only a pleb. I wake in morning get my exercise , enjoying my life and my retirement and my family . and play with my pet Labrador . That all I care about! The rest of the politicians can all go to hell ! In the end the all powerful politicians are liars & crooks! Usually the plebs if they are lucky get the scrap and enjoy their life.