Will Bush Bomb Iran

[enduser1]

Many of the hardline neocons have given up on Dubya because he has failed, so far, to attack Iran as Cheney, Rummy, Kissinger and a few others had promised.
Now these fools think that a nuclear attack on Iran is all that's needed to win their goals.

Now that is a scary thought Woody!

However, Bush seems on the surface to be contained. The troop surge in Iraq is costing the USA a lot of manpower and battle energy for lack of a better word. I do notice however that General Pace said Iran would not be attacked on his watch and his watch will not be extended.

Still, my view has changed. I think now with the recent successful election, and all the Congressional hearings gearing up Bush will remain contained.

EU

 

[onthebottom]

Neo-cons or "new conservatives" is a movement that begins in the Nixon era where some democrats became disillusioned with the lack of law and order of the earlier 70's and the perceived weakness of US foreign policy. They flocked to Reagan in the early 80's because of his message of regaining US strength - remember the "new dawn in America" commercial. The neo-con philosophy has since morphed into the belief system that America should use it's vast military and economic to spread American style democracy to every part of the world in the mistaken idea that this would in fact make the world a peaceful place. In the strictest sense - GWB didn't start his presidency as a neo-con, I remember very clearly before 9/11 GWB and Dick Cheney stating that the US was not in the business of nation building - 9/11 changed that. The only true Neo-con you mentioned is Kissinger. Now this brings us back to Israel - somehow I don't think Israel's goals include bringing US democracy around the world. What you may refer to is Israel's move from being a secular nation to one where religion played a more important part after the 6 day war - Jerusalem is more important here than Neo-cons in the shaping of Israeli political philosophy.

The reason I get upset about the way the phrase "Neo-con" is used by the left is because it fails to address what is really wrong with what passes as Conservative politics in North America these days.

As for neo-cons wanting a war with Iran - classic neo-con thought here is that with time Iran's youth will over throw the theocracy - war isn't on their agenda.



bbk

You forgot my favorite phrase, "a neo-conservative is a liberal that's been mugged by reality"

OTB

 

[WoodPeckr]

You forgot my favorite phrase, "a neo-conservative is a liberal that's been mugged by reality"

OTB

My fav is, "neo-conservatives are ex-liberals, like Ronnie Reagan who just lost their minds!"......

 

[onthebottom]

My fav is, "neo-conservatives are ex-liberals, like Ronnie Reagan who just lost their minds!"......

Who said that, mine was by the founder of the neo-con movement.

OTB

 

[WoodPeckr]

Who said that, mine was by the founder of the neo-con movement.

OTB

Not sure but it sounds like something Ann Richards would say.

 

[onthebottom]

OTB is right - neocons may have been liberals mugged by reality, however that same reality is now coming back to bite the GOP in the arse - note the rise of right of center Democrats elected in key Red States last year.

It would seem that the GOP has betrayed the Reagan revolution and none of the current crop of GOP presidential candidates appear to be able to change that.

Let sanity return.



bbk

Well, as long as they're right of center I don't really have a problem with them..... had Bill Clinton been less of a sleaze bag I could have supported him, I liked the welfare reform....

OTB

 

[WoodPeckr]

Well, as long as they're right of center I don't really have a problem with them..... had Bill Clinton been less of a sleaze bag I could have supported him, I liked the welfare reform....

OTB

To coin a phrase;
Now that is funny!
The amount of SLEAZE surrounding Dubya makes Bill Clinton look like a choir boy by comparison.
That is so clear, only a fool couldn't see!

Many in the US can't wait for Hill & Bill to return to the White House in 08!.......

 

[WoodPeckr]

More ominus signs of war

IS FUEL RATIONING ABOUT TO START?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/gas.php

Today the government talking heads are all agog about how those three lame-ass "terror attacks" came without any advance warning, or to use the current jargon, were "below the radar." The constant message being sold today is that however much electronic surveillance we are all enduring, it is not enough and "we", meaning the tyrants, must have more. No mention of the fact that by their own admission, none of this surveillance worked in the first place. No mention of the easiest way to stop terror, assuming this was a real attack, which is to quit screwing around with other peoples' countries.

But it is easy to see where this is really going. War with Iran is coming. Both sides need to stockpile fuel for what will surely be a long and protracted conflict. Iran has already started building up their strategic reserves, which has triggered riots. The US has drawn down its reserves to try to keep the price of oil down. Fuels for the conventional war that will follow a missile strike are already in short supply.

So, I am expecting that as these latest "terror attacks" get fanned across the news, someone will suggest that the only way to prevent fuel-based car bombs is stricter controls on the sales of fuels such as, well, gasoline.

In other words, the government will start issuing ration cards for gas using the excuse that the "terrorists" will no longer be able to purchase large amounts of fuel undetected. The reality is that the government will now be in the position to know where you plan to go ,and more importantly, will have the authority to deny any trips they feel you should not go on. This is a return to the days of "Is This Trip Really Necessary" every time you want to leave your home. The government will issue permits for you to travel to work, to school, or on oncreasingly rarer vacations.

Your papers, please?

 

[Mcluhan]

....The government will issue permits for you to travel to work, to school, or on oncreasingly rarer vacations.

Your papers, please?

Gordon Wilson looked tired. Terrorism is a now fad, like the hoola-hoop. We shall all have to out-bear it, and too those that deem it just cause for global nuclear war. Watch Strangelove twice as a remedy to insanity, taken twice like a pill.

 

[assoholic]

"Officials: Captured Hezbollah agent helped plan deadly Karbala raid"



http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/01/iraq.hezbollah/index.html

 

[enduser1]

IS FUEL RATIONING ABOUT TO START?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/gas.php


In other words, the government will start issuing ration cards for gas using the excuse that the "terrorists" will no longer be able to purchase large amounts of fuel undetected. The reality is that the government will now be in the position to know where you plan to go ,and more importantly, will have the authority to deny any trips they feel you should not go on. This is a return to the days of "Is This Trip Really Necessary" every time you want to leave your home. The government will issue permits for you to travel to work, to school, or on increasingly rarer vacations.

Your papers, please?

Rationing is coming, unfortunately. Fuel and pet food and finally human food.

EU

 

[jackd1959]

just some facts regarding US nuke attacks

The President of the United States does not have the authority to order a nuclear attack against anyone unless WAR is declared first. A declaration of WAR by the United States requires approval of both the House and the Senate.

I do not believe that the US will attack IRAN... I do think that IRAN getting nuclear weapons is a very bad thing... but I think that the US should let the rest of the world deal with it. Should a nuclear weapon be delivered against the US IRAN will be a glass factory... I think that Israel has more to worry about than the US with regard to Iranian nukes.

 

[maxweber]

He does what God tells him to?

The President of the United States does not have the authority to order a nuclear attack against anyone unless WAR is declared first. A declaration of WAR by the United States requires approval of both the House and the Senate.

And you're suggesting that George Bush does nothing without constitutional authority? Is this a joke?

MW

 

[onthebottom]

I'm getting tired of this thread - I say we nuke the place (Iran) and let Allah sort it out.



bbk

Or just blockade their gasoline imports and let them tear each other apart....

OTB

 

[jackd1959]

max

And you're suggesting that George Bush does nothing without constitutional authority? Is this a joke?

Ordering phones tapped is one thing since it is a gray area... there aren't any US LAWs against tapping a phone conversation outside the US... but if you seriously think that any US president would or could launch a nuclear attack without the approval of both the house and senate then you are seriousl derranged and should seek help. I think you need a dose of reality...

 

[LancsLad]

I'm getting tired of this thread - I say we nuke the place (Iran) and let Allah sort it out.



bbk

Been saying that for a long time. Let them all find their paradise ASAP.



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[danmand]

... I like your idea - why waste perfectly good technology when the ole tried and true methods still work. I only suggest the nukes because it ends the problem quickly.

Before some of the more liberal voices get rolling here, let me just say that I get very sick and tired of small BS countries taking advantage of our Western principles and use them against us when it suits them. The US has both the power economically and militarily to completely dominate the world and there is precious little anyone can do about it - including China or Russia. The only truly thing that stops the US going that far is that the American people themselves wouldn't stand for an old fashion colonial empire. These penny anti countries need to get a reality check. A couple well placed nukes is starting to look a little interesting to me at this time.

I saw some asshat on CNN - the chief radical spokesperson for the British Jihad's. He flatly stated he didn't believe in Democracy and wouldn't rest until all of Great Britain was ruled by Islamic Law (whatever they call it). This jerk uses the freedoms that the West has given him to promote a hateful view of non-believers. If he said that to my face - well the best result for me would be a conviction for simple assault. I grow very tired of these people and I resent that I have to be somewhat watchful when I travel in my City - perhaps Iran should feel the same way.


bbk

You been drinking a few of the old canadian brews today. BB?

First, the US is pretty much stopped in Iraq, so world domination is a dream of the past. Hitler occupied a much larger area, but the insurgents then played nice.


Second, the UK will be predominantly muslim in a few decades. What to do then, nuke the UK

 

[maxweber]

jiminy cricket says:

And you're suggesting that George Bush does nothing without constitutional authority? Is this a joke?

Ordering phones tapped is one thing since it is a gray area... there aren't any US LAWs against tapping a phone conversation outside the US... but if you seriously think that any US president would or could launch a nuclear attack without the approval of both the house and senate then you are seriousl derranged and should seek help. I think you need a dose of reality...

That's a nice thought, and I admire your sunny optimism. But I'm afraid, based on his track record (and shaky, born-again hold on sanity), I wouldn't rule out a tactical strike by shrubble-yoo. Improbably, I agree. But so was launching an entirely unprovoked and unjustified war with Iraq--and he got away with that, rather spectacularly, too.

MW

 

[assoholic]

"The US has both the power economically and militarily to completely dominate the world and there is precious little anyone can do about it - including China or Russia. The only truly thing that stops the US going that far is that the American people themselves wouldn't stand for an old fashion colonial empire. "

..um maybe you should try and concentrate on controlling Baghdad first before
your dillusional dreams of world conquest.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Shock And Horror In August / Iran Attack

SHOCK AND HORROR IN AUGUST / IRAN ATTACK
Thursday, July 12, 2007

The handwriting is on the wall. Pandora's box is opening on the corrupt Cheney/Bush administration's blatant abuses of power but one remains. Cheney and Bush will give Israel the OK to attack Iran and when Iran retaliates ~ we will attack Iran. This will happen during the Congressional recess in August and Bush in Cheney will move quickly to reconsolidate their power while oil rockets to $100.00 a barrel: Allen L Roland

Two war pimps are beating the war drums ~ Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman said on Tuesday that he received the tacit blessing of Europe and the United States for an Israeli military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&;nid=13407
America's war pimp is Joe Lieberman ( no relation ) who is saying " The fact is that the Iranian government has by its actions declared war on us," As a result, he said, "The United States government has a responsibility to use all instruments at its disposal to stop these terrorist attacks against our soldiers and allies in Iraq, including keeping open the possibility of using military force against the terrorist infrastructure inside Iran." Lieberman Beats Iran Drum -- Courant.com

In other words, the new administration's drumbeat ( led by Lieberman ) is that Iran is killing American soldiers by supporting the Iraq freedom fighters and have, in essence, declared war on the United States.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/stephen_kinzer/2007/07/the_new_drumbeat_on

Of course, AIPAC is applying fierce pressure on Congress to take action and Cheney and Bush will rapidly realize that the only way out of mounting revelations, investigations and subpoenas is THE WAR CARD.

Yes, the same war card they played in Iraq but this time it will be the death card ( the queen of spades ) for Cheney and Bush will not be facing impeachment proceedings when this disintegrates but criminal indictments ~ that is, if we survive their march toward armageddon .

Here's my scenario ~ sometime in August ( during the Congressional recess ) Israel will attack Iran and we will back them up when Iran retaliates ( we will soon have three carrier attack groups in the Persian gulf ) Oil will immediately go to $100.00 a barrel and the Cheney/Bush administration will seize that moment to both solidify their political control and ward off Congressional investigations.

These fanatics are convinced they are patriots and are more than willing to take both the Republican party and the country down with them.

Karl Rove's speech in Aspen this last weekend had their main talking point ~ Rove fearmongers that 80-90 percent of violence in Iraq is due to al Qaeda and they still maintain if we don't stop them there ~ they will hit us here. This is a blatant lie but already we now have Michael Chernoff's dire [gut] feeling of an imminent Al Qaeda attack this summer ~ thus the connection ( al Qaeda and Iran ) and the war drums get louder as we head into August.

Shock and horror in August will soon be upon us and it may be too late to stop it ~ just as in Germany in the 1930's when the German people realized, with shock and horror, that their country had been high jacked by Hitler and his cabal of fanatics.

Allen L Roland