doesnt a larger number help his case?
we may not know the number of immigrants but we have a better idea of crime stats. so if 1000 crimes are by immigrants saying there are 30 instead of 11 makes them seem almost three times safer than beforen
Woman, teen niece raped, 3-year-old son killed, husband beaten in Mexico carjacking
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we may not know the number of immigrants but we have a better idea of crime stats. so if 1000 crimes are by immigrants saying there are 30 instead of 11 makes them seem almost three times safer than beforen
Trump wants to do both, build a wall AND hire more ICE and border enforcement officers.
$30 billion for a wall is peanuts to the US government, and it would create a shit load of jobs too
but the crime stats are not estimates they are fixed.
in other words we have a fraction where the numerator remains the same but the denominator increased.
for example if 60 to 80 murders are by illegals as promo claims then it looks better if there are 30 instead of 11 million.
Again,...you think far too much of yourself.
Any abuse you get from members here,...you have earned.
And as far as you putting me on your extensive ignore list,...is that a promise,...or a threat,...either way,...I could care less.
Wrong!! I dont care what it looks like on the stats sheet to you Liberals.
If my daughter/wife gets raped, tortured and then murdered by an illegal immigrant who shouldnt be in the country to begin with, then thats a tragedy that couldve been avoided had this dirtbag been kept out of the country.
Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kathryn_Steinle
Granted she wasnt raped or tortured, but she's still dead
You're right, what was I thinking. Its the illegal immigrant's rights we should be more concerned with
https://www.google.ca/amp/amp.wbalt...-becomes-world-renowned-brain-surgeon/7053833
illegal immigrant becomes reknowned brain surgeon.
micheal j fox and arnie are both illegals.... no back to the future, family ties, govenor of california
look it is a horrible sotry but if you read up on falacies used in debates what you are engaging in is called an appeal to emotion.
I knew this was coming.
The "security issues" re my home and an entire country are so completely different that no comparison is possible. It's like comparing a schnauzer and the Atlantic ocean or the planet Jupiter and a pack of skittles. It's silly. This compares in stupidity to Italian Guy subtracting 32 from 64 and coming up with a remainder of 16 and then arguing about it for two pages of thread. It is beyond stupid.
Homes need walls - privacy, shelter from rain, warmth, as well as security for personal possessions. No walls no roof. And the 14 year old kid from down the street will run through my dining area, wave at me while I'm watching porn in my boxers and then run off with my IPhone.
Countries don't have roofs. Don't have pesky neighbour kids who will steal stuff. Or old Italian ladies across the street who will complain if I play my stereo and they can hear it.
Countries have immigration laws, armies and border control. Because their needs are different from mine. Should they have walls? Maybe. If those walls make cost-benefit sense. This one doesn't.
You have now wasted 5 minutes of my life, Phillie. And I dreaded opening this thread because I knew what awaited me and how much time it would take to write an answer to your foolish nonsense.
So when I finish reading the rest of this thread, you go on ignore for a few weeks as well.
Respond to Frankcastle's point, Phillie. Even though I'm about to put you on ignore, someone will cut and paste it and I still get a chuckle.
Please Phil, you are just being silly at this point, do you not understand basic math?
1) If there are really 30M illegal immigrants, that makes my conclusions even more favourable. The number of crimes by category are already known and measured for each year. 80 murders by 11M people = .07 murders per 100K people. 80 murders by 30M people = .026 murders per 100K people. If indeed there are 30M illegal Mexicans, they are the most law abiding group in the entire US!! It's basic algebra.
2) There may be 11M (or 30M) illegal immigrants in the US, but less than half are Mexican. A wall between Mexico and the US will only impact Hispanic aliens as they are the only ones that take that route. It won't impact any of the other aliens who represent 50% of the 11M/30M number and they are growing whereas the Mexicans are declining. Because Mexicans only represent a fraction of the numbers you keep throwing out, you are only making my points more valid.
I have provided many, many different sources, I even made sure they were politically diverse to support my points. You just keep throwing out numbers without any proof whatsoever. When I try to verify your numbers, because I admit I make mistakes .... surprise, surprise ..... there are no credible references.
<roll-eyes> Did you not read what I and others wrote, or do you just not understand? In summary:
1)Trump was pushing the wall because it was a consolidating election platform that to the uninformed seems like a good solution (elections 101: create an enemy, propose a simple solution, create a 3 word slogan and the stupid will fall in line. "build the wall"). In reality the wall will accomplish very little as most illegals that enter the US to commit crimes, enter legally. Both Homeland security and the border guard union have already confirmed the wall will have little value. My suggestion is to build the much less expensive see-through fence (or don't at all) and use the money to hire more law enforcement officers and target the root cause of all this crime: American drug problems.
2) Strengthening the laws and hiring more ICE, LE and border guards will definitely make a difference ...... as long as they are used effectively. If these guys are given politically motivated orders, forget it.
3) $30B is ALLOT of money to the US. Need I remind you Trump was not able to get the money approved by Congress? The simple truth is Congress realizes it's a waste of money to build the wall, but politically they are dancing in order not to further embarrass the POTUS as they quietly spend the money on ICE, LE and border guards, while looking for a less expensive face saving solution (the see through fence).
That sentence says everything we need to know about you and the far-right and/or far-left. Paraphrased: I don't care what the facts are and what the experts say, I believe what I want to believe and no irrefutable facts will never change my opinion. insult ... insult .... insult.
Fact: Your daughter/wife is 2-8X more likely to be raped, killed, beaten, tortured or any one of another 100 crimes by a native American than an illegal immigrant Mexican. Interestingly, the rape stat in Canada is even higher!
Fact: A sickeningly large number of crimes are from repeat offender native Americans. Far more than Mexicans repeater.
Fact: Eliminate drug related Mexican crimes in the US, the Mexicans are some of the most law abiding peoples in the US. You would be smart to relocate you wife/daughter to a Mexican community that's been around for a few years.
Fact: The internet can provide 100 links describing horrific crimes perpetrated by native Americans for every one you provide for Mexican crimes.
At this point you are just babbling nonsense. You've been Trumped. Like so many Americans who fear all things unknown and blame immigrants for all their woes, you've been easily manipulated by a flashy con man using 3 word slogans "build-the-wall", "lock-her-up", "drain-the-swamp", "Make-Mexico-pay", "Make America Great Again" (okay, that last one was 4 words).
Whether a wall will work or not is for another thread, the main point OP was making was that a wall is necessary along the southern border, which the usual Terb Lefties almost immediately conflated with racism.
My point is this, if you're allowed to protect your home from undesirables, why is it then suddenly "racist" for an entire nation to protect its borders from undesirables as well?? You still havent offered up a good argument why one is not racist, while the other is.
If OP is a racist for wanting to protect his country, are you then also a racist for locking your door at night??
Okay Promo, so my question to you is Hillary then also a racist, as well as everyone who voted for her??
Watch video please:
Congratulations. This is what this board SHOULD be and you've raised the bar for all of us.
Couple of observations. My niece lived for a couple of years in a latino area of Brooklyn and told me continually how safe it was compared to other areas of NYC. She attributed this to Roman Catholic community values and the influence of the church. (And no, my family ain't in the least religious and god forbid, RC!)
Second, I am guessing that a large % of the population of Mexico is indigenous. Why the disparity in Native American (and I guess Native Canadian) violent crime recidivism and the low Mexican crime rates?
You're cherry-picking a few success stories, and ignoring the ones that are not.
Look Frankie, I'm all for immigration. I love the fact Toronto (for example) is so multi-cultural.
I love Korean girls (check my reviews). I also love the fact we have such diversity in foreign restaurants (and their associated cuisine).
But you have to come into the country LEGALLY. Anything less and you'll turn your country into an entire 3rd world shithole.
And by the time you realize it has happened, it will be too late.
Building a wall is not racist, its prudent border protection
phil my post was a joke.
you cherry picked a worst case scenario so i did the same. sorry about your hypothetical female.
