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You know how I keep writing where are the moderate Muslims?

LickRus

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Well in this case they have finally stepped up to the plate:

"Paris (AFP) - French imams condemned violence committed in the name of Islam during Friday prayers as the country reeled from the double hostage dramas that followed the massacre at Charlie Hebdo magazine.

The same message -- distancing the country's five million Muslims from the jihadists responsible for the attacks -- was relayed at more than 2,300 mosques across France.

"We denounce the odious crimes committed by the terrorists, whose criminal action endangers our willingness to live together," said the rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur.

He also appealed to "all the Muslims of France" to take part in demonstrations planned for Sunday to pay homage to the 12 victims of the attack on Charlie Hebdo on Wednesday, the bloodiest in France in more than half a century.

In local mosques across the country, imams condemned the jihadists who claimed they were avenging the Prophet Mohammed by shooting dead some of France's best-known cartoonists at the satirical weekly.

Charlie Hebdo had angered many Muslims by repeatedly publishing cartoons that featured the Prophet as it lampooned Islamist extremists.


Muslim theologian Tareq Oubrou, an imam in Bordeaux, in the southwest, said Muslims were furious that their religion had been "confiscated by crazies... and uneducated, unbalanced people". (If only more Muslims felt this way and talked about it)
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Lip service...they had to come out and condemn the terrorists some sincere and many not. They did the same during 911, nothing changed. They'll do more when it hurts them. A couple a years ago when the Mohamed cartoons came out they were calling for the million Muslim march to protest. Millions of Muslims across the world protested, attacked western targets and went nuts. I would like to see a million Muslim march against terrorists.

The chairmen of the Canadian Imams said that he didn't think it was the right way to express anything. (Wow LOL)
“We denounce [the attacks], and we don’t think it is the right away to express anything,” said Dr. Mohammad Iqbal AlNadvi, chairman of the Canadian Council of Imams.
 

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Fareed Zakaria on Paris attack: Unfortunate that leaders of Muslim nations did not condemn Charlie Hebdo shooting


Indian-born American journalist and author Fareed Zakaria condemned the Paris attacks and said that leaders of Muslim nations should have publicly condemned the terror attacks.

"I'm sure it (the terror attacks) will have an effect in terms of strengthening the anti-immigration politicians and movements which is already gaining ground," said Zakaria. "What will also grow is a sense of fear and despair. These kinds of terrorists are taking advantage of the immigration policies of the past and of the openness of societies."

On being asked what he thinks of these attacks as being a Muslim himself, Zakaria said, "I think it is very important to denounce these attacks. I think it is very unfortunate that we have not seen leaders of Muslim nations come out and condemn this incident openly and publicly and forcefully. Where is the Prime Minister of Pakistan? Where is the President of Egypt?"

Zakaria added that some of these leaders had issued a statement against the attacks but that is very different from saying something publicly.
"Blasphemy laws in various countries encourage the idea that insulting the Quran is to be met with violence, something which has absolutely no basis in the Quran. The Quran does not mention the word blasphemy," he said, adding that "Pakistan is the poster-child of such anti-blasphemy campaigns."

http://www.firstpost.com/world/fare...t-condemn-charlie-hebdo-shooting-2039133.html
By now Jordan came out and condemned.
 

seth gecko

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Fareed Zakaria on Paris attack: Unfortunate that leaders of Muslim nations did not condemn Charlie Hebdo shooting


Indian-born American journalist and author Fareed Zakaria condemned the Paris attacks and said that leaders of Muslim nations should have publicly condemned the terror attacks.

"I'm sure it (the terror attacks) will have an effect in terms of strengthening the anti-immigration politicians and movements which is already gaining ground," said Zakaria. "What will also grow is a sense of fear and despair. These kinds of terrorists are taking advantage of the immigration policies of the past and of the openness of societies."

On being asked what he thinks of these attacks as being a Muslim himself, Zakaria said, "I think it is very important to denounce these attacks. I think it is very unfortunate that we have not seen leaders of Muslim nations come out and condemn this incident openly and publicly and forcefully. Where is the Prime Minister of Pakistan? Where is the President of Egypt?"

Zakaria added that some of these leaders had issued a statement against the attacks but that is very different from saying something publicly.
"Blasphemy laws in various countries encourage the idea that insulting the Quran is to be met with violence, something which has absolutely no basis in the Quran. The Quran does not mention the word blasphemy," he said, adding that "Pakistan is the poster-child of such anti-blasphemy campaigns."

http://www.firstpost.com/world/fare...t-condemn-charlie-hebdo-shooting-2039133.html
By now Jordan came out and condemned.
Here's the President of Egypt:
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCon...isi-condemns-terrorist-attack-on-French-.aspx
 

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Every time the "moderates" blame the "radicals" they are trying to distance themselves from the issue to justify doing nothing.
They need to take ownership to address the issue.
If the religious fundamentalists are a problem, there is a problem with the fundamentals of your religion.
 

SkyRider

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Every time the "moderates" blame the "radicals" they are trying to distance themselves from the issue to justify doing nothing.
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Condemning this atrocity with words is a good start. Words is action. Words do influence hearts and minds. Words do motivate action or inaction. Words from real Muslims are much more powerful than words from an "infidel" like me. We need more words from more Muslims condemning terrorism.

By doing so, the real Muslims are saying these terrorists are not real Muslims, they are not defending the faith, they are not protecting the prophet, they are nothing more than brutal murderers (and some are thiefs as well) and unworthy of calling themselves Muslims. This is a powerful message.

P.S. Real Muslims should tell these terrorists that only real Muslims, and these terrorists are not real Muslims, are entitled to 72 virgins in heaven.
 

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Every time the "moderates" blame the "radicals" they are trying to distance themselves from the issue to justify doing nothing.
They need to take ownership to address the issue.
If the religious fundamentalists are a problem, there is a problem with the fundamentals of your religion.
Yup...they need to Do their own housecleaning ...out the vermin in their basements.....it's not up to the rest of us. They own it
 

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I will paraphrase Dennis Miller's comment in his Big Speech addressing moderate Islam

"I'm wondering when you guys are going to declare a fatwa against the assholes within your own organization"

Pretty well hits the nail on the head.
 

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IRAN BANS VIGIL FOR CHARLIE HEBDO ATTACKS

INU- On Friday 185 Iranian journalists had signed a letter condemning the attacks on the offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris. “Today we stand side by side with the Charlie Hebdo victims and all freedom-seeking people of the world and consider defending freedom of expression and thought against any suppression and violence our most obvious duty,” the statement read in part.

A number of these journalists also took to Facebook to organize a vigil in honor of the victims. Participants planned to lay flowers and light candles outside of a building that housed the Association of Iranian Journalists before it was shut down by the Iranian regime following the 2009 protests against disputed presidential elections.

But the vigil was not allowed to go forward, having been met by security forces that blocked the entrance to the area and forced the crowd to disperse. Some journalists reportedly spent as much as an hour attempting to negotiate with those forces, to no avail. But authorities stood by the ban, effectively denying the populous and opportunity to publicly express disgust over Wednesday’s attacks, even though the regime had responded to the news with statements of condemnation.

As was previously noted by Iran News Update, the immediate response to the attacks by the Iranian Foreign Ministry briefly condemned them but then went on to cast equal or greater condemnation upon the victims for having published cartoons and articles that the Foreign Ministry described as “intellectual violence.”

Subsequent official statements coming out of Iran have been similarly weak and ambivalent. Agence-France Presse on Friday reported that Iranian President Hassan Rouhani had criticized acts of violent extremism for contributing to the growth of Islamophobia, but had not mentioned the Charlie Hebdo attacks by name.

Indeed, Iran’s state affiliated Tasnim News Agency covered Rouhani’s generic condemnation of violence and extremism by focusing on the Middle East region. It quoted him as saying, “We are delighted that the region’s Muslim people, from Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine to Pakistan and Afghanistan, are resisting to extremism, violence and terrorism and gain new victories every day.”

This commentary was presumably meant to elicit the conflict between Iran and the Islamic State, and to paint the latter, alone, as an extremist group. But as the international press has made abundantly clear, Iran’s contribution to the fight against IS has focused in large part on funding and directing Shiite militias, many of which are demonstrably guilty of human rights violations of their own, as well as having Islamist ambitions not unlike those of their Sunni opponents.

Nevertheless, Iranian public statements about the Charlie Hebdo attack have also transparently attempted to use them to encourage shifts in Western policies in the Middle East, in order to put them more in line with Iranian goals, especially the preservation of the regime of Bashar al-Assad in war-torn Syria. Iran Focus quoted one conservative Iranian newspaper as saying of Wednesday’s terrorist incident that France is “tasting the bitter medicine of its support for terrorism,” referring to France’s support for the moderate rebel groups fighting the Assad regime.

This leads a blogger at Daily Kos to describe Iran’s condemnation of the Paris terrorist attack as part of a “ridiculous international propaganda agenda.” She also cites the banning of the intended vigil by Iranian journalists as proof that the regime has “no intention of upholding Freedom of Press in Iran, no intention of stopping their brutal public execution policy, no intention of renouncing and stopping their support for international terror, and no intention of allowing Iranians to publically honor those killed by Islamic Terror in France.”

http://irannewsupdate.com/news/human-rights/1835-iran-bans-vigil-for-charlie-hebdo-attacks.html
 

SkyRider

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IRAN BANS VIGIL FOR CHARLIE HEBDO ATTACKS

INU- On Friday 185 Iranian journalists had signed a letter condemning the attacks on the offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris. l
Firstly, there are no nice guys in the Middle East.

Secondly, everybody in the Middle East has an agenda.

Shitte Iran (and Hezbollah) don't like Sunni Al Qaeda and ISIS so it is in their interest to look like nice guys by condemning a Sunni Al Qaeda attack on the West. This is not at all about press freedom in Iran.

Query: Has Iran or Hezbollah (like Al Qaeda and ISIS) ever urged their followers to launch attacks on European, American, Canadian or Australian soil? If yes, was it rare or frequent?
 

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It's a start but I'd like to see more than just words from these groups. For one they need to co-operate better with police and intelligence agencies to help identify potential terror suspects.
Not to hijack Aardie's return to balanced thinking, but rather to support it in wider contexts. You should try applying those same same thoughts and words in other current controversies. Like police shootings: 'Police need to cooperate better with their oversight agencies to help identify 'bad apples'.

All well and good to have neighbour spying on neighbour like you suggest, but let's be sure we're being universal and applying that standard of ratting out the bad guys to everyone.

Not to hijack, like I said, but the those police and intelligence agencies, who we hire to be professional good guys set some of the worst examples imaginable of the 'noble' sort of behaviour you're asking of your muslim fellow citizens.

Where's your call for all of them to take collective blame and responsibility for the individuals among them who shoot civilians or torture prisoners?
 

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People asking to see evidence that moderate Muslims do more than just condemn with words? How about this guy, who put his own life on the line to save some Jewish customers from the extremists during the attacks:

Paris terror attacks: Muslim worker at Jewish store hid customers in cold store

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Jewish-store-hid-customers-in-cold-store.html

A Muslim shop assistant has been hailed a hero after saving at least six people by hiding them in a walk-in freezer at the Jewish grocery store where an Islamist gunmen made his final stand.

Lassana Bathily, 24, originally from Mali in west Africa, ushered customers into the cold store at the Hyper Cacher supermarket in Porte de Vincennes on Friday, where Ahmedi Couibaly had taken a number of people hostage.

The siege ended when police raided the shop, shooting him dead. Four hostages also died.

However, the toll might have been much worse were it not for the quick thinking of Mr Bathily.

"I went down to the freezer, I opened the door, there were several people who went in with me. I turned off the light and the freezer," he told the French TV station BFMTV.

He slipped away using a goods lift and was able to provide police with valuable information about what has happening inside the store.

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SkyRider

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People asking to see evidence that moderate Muslims do more than just condemn with words? How about this guy, who put his own life on the line to save some Jewish customers from the extremists during the attacks:

Paris terror attacks: Muslim worker at Jewish store hid customers in cold store

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Jewish-store-hid-customers-in-cold-store.html

A Muslim shop assistant has been hailed a hero after saving at least six people by hiding them in a walk-in freezer at the Jewish grocery store where an Islamist gunmen made his final stand.

Lassana Bathily, 24, originally from Mali in west Africa, ushered customers into the cold store at the Hyper Cacher supermarket in Porte de Vincennes on Friday, where Ahmedi Couibaly had taken a number of people hostage.

The siege ended when police raided the shop, shooting him dead. Four hostages also died.

However, the toll might have been much worse were it not for the quick thinking of Mr Bathily.

"I went down to the freezer, I opened the door, there were several people who went in with me. I turned off the light and the freezer," he told the French TV station BFMTV.
Query: Would a Muslim terrorist knowingly murder another Muslim?
 

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(Reuters) - Christian militia in Central African Republic have carried out ethnic cleansing of the Muslim population during the country's ongoing civil war...

The final report of the inquiry, which was submitted to the U.N. Security Council on Dec. 19, said up to 6,000 people had been killed though it "considers that such estimates fail to capture the full magnitude of the killings that occurred."

The mostly Christian or animist "anti-balaka" militia took up arms in 2013 in response to months of looting and killing by mostly Muslim Seleka rebels who had toppled President Francois Bozize and seized power in March the same year.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/08/us-centralafrica-inquiry-idUSKBN0KH2BM20150108
Why are the "good" ordinary Christians and Christian leaders staying silent on this matter?

I'll tell you why. Because you have to be a tone deaf asshole to presume that ordinary people need to apologise for things that evil motherfuckers do in the name of something sort-of-but-not-really held in common. It is no more appropriate to ask the pope, or Pat Buchanan, or your auntie Erma to apologise for or denounce the Christian militias in Central Africa targeting and killing thousands of Muslims than it is appropriate to demand that ordinary Muslims to apologise or denounce terrorist scum shooting people in Paris (or Ottawa, or anywhere). The overwhelming majority of adherents to either religion (billions of people, folks) are just... wait for it... ordinary people. Trying to muddle through their vanilla, quotidian lives. Do you really need John Doe to say "killing's bad, mmmkay?". No. No you don't. And the demands that Achmed Doe needs to do so are racist and stupid in the extreme.
 

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How many "je suis Charlie" bumper stickers will you see on Cars owned by Muslims residing in no-go Muslim enclaves around France?


I work with Muslims in the office. They are wonderful, kind, thoughtful and even participate in our holiday parties. Sadly they must live with the embarrassment caused by radical nuts just as I have to live with the embarrassment from right wing religious bigots.
 

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I work with Muslims in the office. They are wonderful, kind, thoughtful and even participate in our holiday parties. Sadly they must live with the embarrassment caused by radical nuts just as I have to live with the embarrassment from right wing religious bigots.
There are a lot more violent Muslim extremists, and large Muslim national groups that condone and support terrorism in a variety of countries, from Iran to Pakistan as state sponsors of terror, to quasi governmental outright terrorist groups like the Taliban, ISIS, Hezbollah, and Hamas. While you can point to historical examples, there is currently no pervasive organized terrorism like that in the Christian world, rather more a case of small groups and lone wolves. There really is something wrong at a national level in many Muslim countries with respect to sponsoring terrorists, and it translates into a broad encouragement that is unfortunately now snowballing.

That said, I agree with you that the overwhelming majority of Muslims want nothing to do with violence, integrate well, and are just regular people getting by.

But the malcontents in Muslim society find far greater support for violence and atrocity than malcontents in our society. Put it this way, their Jason Borques find that they have state level support, training, and financing. Far more of their malcontents are lured into deeply violent paths because their antisocial ideas find support and encouragement rather then ostricization or counseling.
 

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I work with Muslims in the office. They are wonderful, kind, thoughtful and even participate in our holiday parties. Sadly they must live with the embarrassment caused by radical nuts just as I have to live with the embarrassment from right wing religious bigots.
+1 Same here..trust me, the moderates are very embarassed and ashamed of the ISIS terrorists..or at least my muslim friends have been telling me... i have a question for whitewaterguy .. why not, i dunno meet and greet a muslim and i dunno , ask him/her?
 
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