Should Toronto Police be disbanded??

[Darts]

Here's a perfect example where we can call 311 instead of 911. A social worker could resolve the issue pronto because we know all human beings are reasonable.

https://www.blogto.com/city/2020/06...ng-family-foxes-toronto-threats-verbal-abuse/

 

[basketcase]

This is interesting.
Does everyone here think that these are calls to abolish the concept of law enforcement?

That's what the alt-right, fox news, and very soon the Trump campaign will claim.

Don't think anyone wants to abolish the idea of law enforcement. The only discussion is how to get from the current system in the US to one that actually works for the poor and minorities as well as it works for the rich, predominantly white.

 

[Butler1000]

Wait. Butler1000 is for incremental change and minor reform?

Oh. Right. It is where he lives and might affect him. Can't get too radical.

Because the USA doesn't have the same existing social safety net it needs larger changes.

We have a better mix. It indeed needs improvement. But due to our healthcare system in place we have a head start.

The difference in attitude was clearly shown this past weekend.

 

[Valcazar]

The answer to this question is not so simple. What exactly does disbanding mean? Do all police officers become community "engagers" or whatever name you want to give them? Do they all turn in their equipment like lethal and less than lethal weapons, squad cars, armoured cars, body armour, helicopters, etc.? What do we do with all the money that we would supposedly be saving by having fewer officers and less need for equipment. And the costs are not limited to the active duty officers. The pension obligations don't go away if we completely switch the policing model. Lots of very important details will have to be worked out.

I do think it's fair to ask why policing has become so expensive and are we getting value for money.

explorerzip - this shows an open mind, an understanding that slogans may cover up a wide range of possible approaches, and a sense that being willing to engage and question institutions is important and valid in a democratic society (even while respecting what those institutions may be doing well or were originally set up to accomplish).

If you have been following the threads on this, you must realize that all of the above is completely unacceptable to most of the people posting.

 

[Valcazar]

Because the USA doesn't have the same existing social safety net it needs larger changes.

We have a better mix. It indeed needs improvement. But due to our healthcare system in place we have a head start.

The difference in attitude was clearly shown this past weekend.

You're adorable.
You think people are going to buy that bs?

 

[Anbarandy]

Then who will stop the murdering, raping, pillaging and plundering?

The silent classic movie "Birth of a Nation" provides guidance.

 

[explorerzip]

explorerzip - this shows an open mind, an understanding that slogans may cover up a wide range of possible approaches, and a sense that being willing to engage and question institutions is important and valid in a democratic society (even while respecting what those institutions may be doing well or were originally set up to accomplish).

If you have been following the threads on this, you must realize that all of the above is completely unacceptable to most of the people posting.

Yeah, I think some are thinking that defunding the police as totally eliminating it. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. It will depend on how Minneapolis and other citiy councils worded and will execute their policies. In any case, it will take years maybe decades to transition all of that infrastructure and bureaucracy into something else. That doesn't make "defunding the police" a bad or good policy decision BTW. It's just a decision that needs a lot of thought put into it.

Honestly, I'd rather get outside to enjoy some sun instead of following Terb threads with the usual bunch of posters who don't have much to say most of the time.

 

[harryass]

Then who will stop the murdering, raping, pillaging and plundering?

yip, these are the Fxxks that want to disband the police. Ya got to dispose of ALL the Fn convicts first.

 

[canada-man]

Comedy Gold!

Sandy Hudson: BLM Toronto co-founder who defunded (stole) $277k from UofT, now wants to defund the police.


https://www.macleans.ca/society/life/we-must-defund-the-police-it-is-the-only-option/


you can't make this stuf fup

 

[mandrill]

Article says nothing about her stealing $.

If she stole a large amount of $, why is she not in jail?

 

[canada-man]

Article says nothing about her stealing $.

If she stole a large amount of $, why is she not in jail?

https://thevarsity.ca/2015/09/24/ut...esident-vice-president-internal-and-services/


https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/u-of-t-s...tor-ex-officials-over-severance-pay-1.2582603

 

[richaceg]

Or save the country some money and just more to a country where there's not much police activities...Juarez or Michoacan Mexico for instance....

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

https://thevarsity.ca/2015/09/24/ut...esident-vice-president-internal-and-services/


https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/u-of-t-s...tor-ex-officials-over-severance-pay-1.2582603

Thats a civil law case though, not criminal

 

[JackBurton]

I think there is a lot to say for disbanding and restructuring. First thing that should happen is transparency and no more hiding behind the brotherhood. They are armed and have access to weapons that are not available to the public for a reason. The SIU should be independent and while I think Tam Wong is a loon, pulling 133 million from a bloated police force, a police force that eats up more than HALF the city’s budget and putting it into social programs will do a lot of proactive good. It will help stop kids from getting into trouble and raise living conditions for people in abject poverty in this city.

The more highly education people you have, the better chances they are to get a job and contribute to the tax base of this city.

I’ve no idea how one would go about reforming the force but this warrior mentality, the “I’m going home safe, fuck the citizens” mentality has to stop. I don’t care if the cops whine about having to put on warm fuzzy mitts to deal with people who have mental health issues, they can learn. This isn’t the 1920’s of hardscrabble cops there are lots of tools to help and body cams should be essential.

To serve and protect should be tattooed on their foreheads when they join.

 

[WyattEarp]

It just means they'll re-group as a band in 5 years and go on tour playing the same hit songs from 1970.

Haha. Don't forget the fifth or sixth farewell tour.

 

[WyattEarp]

That's what the alt-right, fox news, and very soon the Trump campaign will claim.

Don't think anyone wants to abolish the idea of law enforcement. The only discussion is how to get from the current system in the US to one that actually works for the poor and minorities as well as it works for the rich, predominantly white.

The President of the Minneapolis City Council sounds like a dip-shit and the Mayor has no stones. I fear some urban politicians are destabilizing their cities in the long-term for some quick popularity. Cities can't thrive without a healthy economic base and investment.

Perhaps the truly crazy ideas will just fade away.

 

[black booty lover]

The fact this thread is 6 pages long is mind boggling. The idea and concept is ridiculous on every level.

 

[WyattEarp]

What's funny is that we have this discussion and few of you want to acknowledge City leaders in the U.S. don't control the police (or the schools for that matter). The Unions control the police. When an urban police force has issues with brutality or a spike in crime, the Mayor swaps out the Commissioner and declares things will change. It seems to have little or no effect.

It's going to be fun to watch these Mayors do this dance.

 

[mandrill]

Thats a civil law case though, not criminal

Also it was filed in 2015 and there appears to be no update....

 

[mandrill]

The President of the Minneapolis City Council sounds like a dip-shit and the Mayor has no stones. I fear some urban politicians are destabilizing their cities in the long-term for some quick popularity. Cities can't thrive without a healthy economic base and investment.

Perhaps the truly crazy ideas will just fade away.

The mayor was on Cuomo and appeared well spoken and intelligent. If anything, Cuomo was pushing him and demanding immediate responses while the mayor was talking long-term plans.

We're still a little unclear about what "defunding" the police means and there is a lot of "clarifying" and "walking back" happening now.

The mayor was talking sense about removing terms that protect bad cops from the collective agreement. I am guessing he can't do that without the state assembly stepping in an legislating those terms out of all in-state collective agreements w police. If the city simply digs in and tries to have these protections removed, the police union will simply strike and fuck up the city - perhaps the ultimate "defunding" LOL.

He explained that we need long-term culture shifts and a different approach and I really liked him. I posted an article about Minne's 3rd Precinct being the Wild West of bad cops and how Chauvin was a prime example. This shit really needs to change.