My updated Sugar dating progresses

[Liam011]

Rules I have followed in the past:

1) Never give a ppm for a meet & greet. Never. If a woman says she requires $$ because “her time is valuable” or “it is a way to show you are serious” she is most likely a rinser

2) After a mutually enjoyable m&g, offer a ppm you are comfortable with. Don’t try to lowball. Make it clear that it is not about her “worth” but, rather, it is what you can comfortably do to make this mutually beneficial arrangement work, and not seem transactional

3) the only tricky part is the question of ppm for non-intimate dates. I make it clear that I am willing to do several non-intimate meets to assess chemistry, make her feel comfortable, and establish connection. But, no ppm. That being said, as the arrangement progresses, I tend to add a little bit (occasionally) to the established ppm if we’ve had a couple of mutually agreed upon non intimate dates.

Those are the rules I play by. If you are respectful and consistent you can keep her happy for a long time without feeling like you have to raise the ppm. Good luck!

I agree with almost everything said here and do the same. I do set a PPM amount before even agreeing to a free/platonic first M&G though. I figure if the M&G goes well but she asks for 1k afterward or something it would have just been a waste of everyones time.

I do pay for everything (just like dating a civvie) on a date. That is my preference. I myself do not pay PPM for platonic dates at any time. If my company isn't of enough interest for them to spend their free time being taken out and taken care of, then they're not really a woman I want to spend time with anyway and we can just fuck for money instead if that's all she wants. I do tend to be generous with the PPM though and I like giving little presents and shit anyway so they generally tend to feel appreciated.

Generally, I find the range I am asked for is 300-500. I've never paid more than that for an SB. I also cover the hotel costs but about half of them can host anyway. Depends on the age range and demographic you are going after. Dayuse is a godsend.

As to the negotiation, I let them make the first move. They're the sellers in this marketplace, so they should set the price. My cop-out is saying "I never find it's a good idea to tell a lady what she's worth". Some undersell themselves. They ones I really like get well compensated anyway.

 

[GeeBee]

I agree with almost everything said here and do the same. I do set a PPM amount before even agreeing to a free/platonic first M&G though. I figure if the M&G goes well but she asks for 1k afterward or something it would have just been a waste of everyones time.

I do pay for everything (just like dating a civvie) on a date. That is my preference. I myself do not pay PPM for platonic dates at any time. If my company isn't of enough interest for them to spend their free time being taken out and taken care of, then they're not really a woman I want to spend time with anyway and we can just fuck for money instead if that's all she wants. I do tend to be generous with the PPM though and I like giving little presents and shit anyway so they generally tend to feel appreciated.

Generally, I find the range I am asked for is 300-500. I've never paid more than that for an SB. I also cover the hotel costs but about half of them can host anyway. Depends on the age range and demographic you are going after. Dayuse is a godsend.

As to the negotiation, I let them make the first move. They're the sellers in this marketplace, so they should set the price. My cop-out is saying "I never find it's a good idea to tell a lady what she's worth". Some undersell themselves. They ones I really like get well compensated anyway.

Excellent advice from Liam and Zippy here, and consistent with my experience as well. I’d also stress the idea of agreeing to the eventual PPM before you have the M&G, or at least a ball park range. The last thing you want is to have a great vibe with this girl over dinner and then discover she wants way more for a PPM than you can afford or are comfortable with.

I never pay for a platonic date, including the M&G, other than paying for coffee, drinks, dinner etc… And although it’s not something I’d usually do, I can understand how a guy would want a SB’s company without intimacy. Sometimes just being with a pretty girl can be intoxicating. In that case I’d suggest negotiating a sliding scale for both platonic and intimate dates up front. Again, you don’t want be tempted (lets be honest horny as hell for this girl) and find out she wants way too much. You’ll end up with blue balls or paying an inflated amount to get laid. The biggest red flag in this case would be her trying to increase her PPM ask after she has you hooked. It might be hard to walk away.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

I agree with almost everything said here and do the same. I do set a PPM amount before even agreeing to a free/platonic first M&G though. I figure if the M&G goes well but she asks for 1k afterward or something it would have just been a waste of everyones time.

I do pay for everything (just like dating a civvie) on a date. That is my preference. I myself do not pay PPM for platonic dates at any time. If my company isn't of enough interest for them to spend their free time being taken out and taken care of, then they're not really a woman I want to spend time with anyway and we can just fuck for money instead if that's all she wants. I do tend to be generous with the PPM though and I like giving little presents and shit anyway so they generally tend to feel appreciated.

Generally, I find the range I am asked for is 300-500. I've never paid more than that for an SB. I also cover the hotel costs but about half of them can host anyway. Depends on the age range and demographic you are going after. Dayuse is a godsend.

As to the negotiation, I let them make the first move. They're the sellers in this marketplace, so they should set the price. My cop-out is saying "I never find it's a good idea to tell a lady what she's worth". Some undersell themselves. They ones I really like get well compensated anyway.

I agree with almost everything said here and do the same. I do set a PPM amount before even agreeing to a free/platonic first M&G though. I figure if the M&G goes well but she asks for 1k afterward or something it would have just been a waste of everyones time.

I do pay for everything (just like dating a civvie) on a date. That is my preference. I myself do not pay PPM for platonic dates at any time. If my company isn't of enough interest for them to spend their free time being taken out and taken care of, then they're not really a woman I want to spend time with anyway and we can just fuck for money instead if that's all she wants. I do tend to be generous with the PPM though and I like giving little presents and shit anyway so they generally tend to feel appreciated.

Generally, I find the range I am asked for is 300-500. I've never paid more than that for an SB. I also cover the hotel costs but about half of them can host anyway. Depends on the age range and demographic you are going after. Dayuse is a godsend.

As to the negotiation, I let them make the first move. They're the sellers in this marketplace, so they should set the price. My cop-out is saying "I never find it's a good idea to tell a lady what she's worth". Some undersell themselves. They ones I really like get well compensated anyway.

Some good points here. Interestingly, I find the discussion about ppm BEFORE the m&g can cut two ways. Logically, as Liam and GeeBee point out, it is frustrating and a waste of time to have a m&g go well only to find she wants unreasonable ppm. However, remember, if she views this as a negotiation, she is negotiating based upon a preconceived idea about you (which may or may not be accurate) and, thus, you are going to get a high number from her if you ask her first. She has been taught, either by people she knows who have been SBs, or by things she's read on chat boards, to make sure she does not undervalue herself and that any guy who is not a big $$ "whale" is just not worth it. Prior to the m&g, she has not been exposed to some of the things that would influence her to take a lesser dollar amount. For example, i am quite confident that guys who are polite, charming, put together (not necessarily handsome), respectful, and relatable in person are in a better bargaining position than guys who are NOT that, or guys who may be that, but the potential SB has only "met" you in texts or DMs. So, if you are confident in your overall "game," but are not the most traditionally handsome, perhaps waiting until the m&g to make an offer or ask her what she wants may work to your benefit. Just a thought.

Also, I find the question of who should make the first offer to be an interesting one. Traditional negotiating in non sugar arenas recommends letting the other person go first. I get that. Maybe she will ask for LESS than you were willing to give...win!! But, remember, there is a great likelihood that you are the more experienced negotiator. By letting her go first, and if she is high, your counter of a lower number will immediately make her take things personally...either hurt or insulted as she will see this as how you are valuing her. If you throw out your best offer with an explanation of that is what you are comfortable with you take the "personal" nature of a counter offer off the table. Either she will believe that is your "number" and will take it, or she will counter. In this case, you are still in the "power" position as you can walk away. I've had this happen 3 times and twice I got texts shortly after we parted amicably with some version of "I've thought about it and I really enjoyed meeting you and think your number is fair, let's give it a try." The third time she came back with a lower counter (but still higher than my comfort number). It must have been my charm, because it sure ain't my rugged handsomeness! Anyway, I guess the lesson in the sugar world is that finding a great match isn't easy. All we can do is put ourselves out there with a plan...and stick to it.

 

[Massivo]

Sounds about right. You find the ones $500 and up are just more attractive? The ones who say can host, might be escorts?
Those verification videos are weird. Many look so plain or bad lighting. You think if they put effort on the pics, they would spend similar effort on the videos too.

It's hard to say that the ones asking for 500 are more attractive. Beauty is subjective as we all know...

The contrast between the videos and their pictures can be startling and unsettling at the same time lol...

 

[Massivo]

Excellent advice from Liam and Zippy here, and consistent with my experience as well. I’d also stress the idea of agreeing to the eventual PPM before you have the M&G, or at least a ball park range. The last thing you want is to have a great vibe with this girl over dinner and then discover she wants way more for a PPM than you can afford or are comfortable with.

I never pay for a platonic date, including the M&G, other than paying for coffee, drinks, dinner etc… And although it’s not something I’d usually do, I can understand how a guy would want a SB’s company without intimacy. Sometimes just being with a pretty girl can be intoxicating. In that case I’d suggest negotiating a sliding scale for both platonic and intimate dates up front. Again, you don’t want be tempted (lets be honest horny as hell for this girl) and find out she wants way too much. You’ll end up with blue balls or paying an inflated amount to get laid. The biggest red flag in this case would be her trying to increase her PPM ask after she has you hooked. It might be hard to walk away.

I'm just learning the ropes here. Do you find it's a good idea to let them know from the outset that there will be no PPM for non-intimate dates?

 

[GeeBee]

I'm just learning the ropes here. Do you find it's a good idea to let them know from the outset that there will be no PPM for non-intimate dates?

Unless you're flexible and might be open to the idea, I’d say it’s best to be honest about it from the start. There is no point in going down a road that you don’t want to travel.

However if the “non intimate dates” include things like concerts, sporting events that might include you paying for an expensive ticket she might be happy with that. She may also be happy with gifts, but you have to balance what you’re giving with what you’re getting out of this arrangement. It’s all part of an adult conversation that needs to be had.

 

[Leimonis]

I'm just learning the ropes here. Do you find it's a good idea to let them know from the outset that there will be no PPM for non-intimate dates?

Unless you're flexible and might be open to the idea, I’d say it’s best to be honest about it from the start. There is no point in going down a road that you don’t want to travel.

However if the “non intimate dates” include things like concerts, sporting events that might include you paying for an expensive ticket she might be happy with that. She may also be happy with gifts, but you have to balance what you’re giving with what you’re getting out of this arrangement. It’s all part of an adult conversation that needs to be had.

the issue typically is the initial dates, not the dates later on. I am not a big believer in platonic dates except ONE meet and greet, much less if ppm is asked for, because you are pretty much inviting rinsing, and in any event I am looking for women who have high sex drive and who are itching to fuck and who are not taking forever to take the plunge.

 

[RobI]

Ya, talking to one of my SBs, she indicated that she never messaged me. I showed her the thread. It's obvious that the program is doing it. I don't respond if the profile is obvious that we're not a match.

Yes, that's the issue with Secret Benefits (and their other sites, sugardaddy.ca/.com/uk.co), you can find lots of stories like this on Reddit. There are real girls on there, but you probably want to stick to the premium/verified members.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/1bicimc https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/173tfhj

 

[RobI]

I'm just learning the ropes here. Do you find it's a good idea to let them know from the outset that there will be no PPM for non-intimate dates?

It's a good question. Personally, I'd talk to them on the site (or off if you're on Seeking - no money talk, remember?) to set-up expectations.

In the past, I've suggested that we meet up for drinks or dinner first to talk, and if we vibe, we can take things from there. A lot of hotels have a restaurant with booths so you have a bit of privacy to talk. Plus, you're meeting at a hotel.

Also, if they start talking about sending pictures, cash "until we can meet up", I tell them right away I'm not looking for virtual - that usually gets the scammers to move on.

 

[DudeUsr]

Interesting thread. I guess Im completely new to SD ing.
Whats is like compared to random fuck with escorts?
What sort of money do you guys spend here to land a fish? I am not loaded, hence curious.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

Interesting thread. I guess Im completely new to SD ing.
Whats is like compared to random fuck with escorts?
What sort of money do you guys spend here to land a fish? I am not loaded, hence curious.

I'm happy to share some of my thoughts and experiences. First off, the sugar world is definitely unique. But, as much as most SBs would like to think it is different than escorting, it is still sex work. Different, but still sex work. While dabbling in the sugar world can replace time with escorts, for me, they serve two different purposes. With escorts, you look for a specific experience and, through research, you can readily find that which you seek on an HOURLY basis that works for you. The relationship with an escort has boundaries that are defined, initially, by hourly constraints. That is, a one hour experience is likely to be very different than a two hour experience. Yes, you can definitely develop a more "intimate" relationship with an escort as you continue to see her over time. But, the primary model that i have observed in most hobbyists is to enjoy variety of different escorts, either "one and done," or by cycling through a group of regulars. Boundaries may get stretched a bit as time goes on and you get to know more about each other. That is the intimacy part, or the part where if that is what you seek, a sugar baby may be the way to go. In the sugar world, the boundaries tend not to be set initially by time together... it really should not be, when it works well, an hourly arrangement. In the sugar world, non-escorts dabble in sex work by calling it a "mutually beneficial" arrangement. This is code for she provides sex and you provide money...at its basic core. Platonic sugar relationships are unicorns. But, most SDs who emerge from their initial escorting phase are seeking more than just sex. They want a connection. And, while that is possible with an escort, there is always a "clock" at work. With good SBs, the "clock" is irrelevant.

With that background, i have two other thoughts:

1) Escorts are professionals and the general notion is that they are more skilled at sex. The best are more skilled in not only the sex, but the fantasy as well. SBs, on the other hand, tend to be less experienced (although not always) and the quality of the initial sexual encounter can vary widely. In short, they do not have the professional ability to provide the fantasy part...although they might be quite skilled sexually, which is great. A hobbyist can do his research and find an escort who will provide a nice sexual experience. Sometimes, we find experiences that are off the charts good and we repeat. Rarely, if you do your homework, will the experience be disappointing. With SBs, on the other hand, you do not know what you are going to get during that first sexual encounter. Very simply, there is a much, much lower floor of potential quality with an SB than a well reviewed escort. The encounter can possibly be sexually disappointing, for one or both of you. On the other hand, finding a great match with an SB who is skilled or eager to learn and experiment can be an off the charts experience...again, because there is no clock and no defined lines not to be crossed in terms of sharing info about each other, thus heightening intimacy. There are just some things that are not appropriate to ask an escort as they would be invasive to her and her privacy. With an SB, many other topics are on the table.

2) Those who i know to hobby AND indulge in the sugar world often talk about the "value" for their dollars. For example, I can see a great escort in Toronto for 3 hours at a cost of $1200-1500. I know the experience will be nice. On the other hand, an SB in my area generally will accept a PPM ('pay per meet) of $500-600. For that, my experience has been sharing drinks, multiple hours of sex, and dinner, all that being a minimum of 4 hours and often up to 8 hours. To get that with an escort, the cost goes up to $1500-2000 for 4 hours. Sugar sounds great, right? Well, the catch is the amount of work to find that great SB can be so labor intensive that it becomes wildly frustrating...including meet and greets that just dont work out with numerous potential SBs...that is time and money and energy. A great escort is a couple of clicks and a thoughtful email away from a guaranteed good experience.

So, in my opinion, both have their pros and cons. But, for me, they work together. I have SBs here at home and enjoy wonderful escorts when i travel. There is obviously so much more that can be said on this topic, but you've probably thought I have rambled on too long already! Interesting thread and, of course, these are just my experiences. I'm sure others have done things differently. That is the beauty of the sandbox we play in...something for everyone. Lastly, a shout out to the amazing escorts here in Toronto who treat me so well when I visit. My city has nothing that remotely compares to you...cheers!!

 

[DudeUsr]

I'm happy to share some of my thoughts and experiences. First off, the sugar world is definitely unique. But, as much as most SBs would like to think it is different than escorting, it is still sex work. Different, but still sex work. While dabbling in the sugar world can replace time with escorts, for me, they serve two different purposes. With escorts, you look for a specific experience and, through research, you can readily find that which you seek on an HOURLY basis that works for you. The relationship with an escort has boundaries that are defined, initially, by hourly constraints. That is, a one hour experience is likely to be very different than a two hour experience. Yes, you can definitely develop a more "intimate" relationship with an escort as you continue to see her over time. But, the primary model that i have observed in most hobbyists is to enjoy variety of different escorts, either "one and done," or by cycling through a group of regulars. Boundaries may get stretched a bit as time goes on and you get to know more about each other. That is the intimacy part, or the part where if that is what you seek, a sugar baby may be the way to go. In the sugar world, the boundaries tend not to be set initially by time together... it really should not be, when it works well, an hourly arrangement. In the sugar world, non-escorts dabble in sex work by calling it a "mutually beneficial" arrangement. This is code for she provides sex and you provide money...at its basic core. Platonic sugar relationships are unicorns. But, most SDs who emerge from their initial escorting phase are seeking more than just sex. They want a connection. And, while that is possible with an escort, there is always a "clock" at work. With good SBs, the "clock" is irrelevant.

With that background, i have two other thoughts:

1) Escorts are professionals and the general notion is that they are more skilled at sex. The best are more skilled in not only the sex, but the fantasy as well. SBs, on the other hand, tend to be less experienced (although not always) and the quality of the initial sexual encounter can vary widely. In short, they do not have the professional ability to provide the fantasy part...although they might be quite skilled sexually, which is great. A hobbyist can do his research and find an escort who will provide a nice sexual experience. Sometimes, we find experiences that are off the charts good and we repeat. Rarely, if you do your homework, will the experience be disappointing. With SBs, on the other hand, you do not know what you are going to get during that first sexual encounter. Very simply, there is a much, much lower floor of potential quality with an SB than a well reviewed escort. The encounter can possibly be sexually disappointing, for one or both of you. On the other hand, finding a great match with an SB who is skilled or eager to learn and experiment can be an off the charts experience...again, because there is no clock and no defined lines not to be crossed in terms of sharing info about each other, thus heightening intimacy. There are just some things that are not appropriate to ask an escort as they would be invasive to her and her privacy. With an SB, many other topics are on the table.

2) Those who i know to hobby AND indulge in the sugar world often talk about the "value" for their dollars. For example, I can see a great escort in Toronto for 3 hours at a cost of $1200-1500. I know the experience will be nice. On the other hand, an SB in my area generally will accept a PPM ('pay per meet) of $500-600. For that, my experience has been sharing drinks, multiple hours of sex, and dinner, all that being a minimum of 4 hours and often up to 8 hours. To get that with an escort, the cost goes up to $1500-2000 for 4 hours. Sugar sounds great, right? Well, the catch is the amount of work to find that great SB can be so labor intensive that it becomes wildly frustrating...including meet and greets that just dont work out with numerous potential SBs...that is time and money and energy. A great escort is a couple of clicks and a thoughtful email away from a guaranteed good experience.

So, in my opinion, both have their pros and cons. But, for me, they work together. I have SBs here at home and enjoy wonderful escorts when i travel. There is obviously so much more that can be said on this topic, but you've probably thought I have rambled on too long already! Interesting thread and, of course, these are just my experiences. I'm sure others have done things differently. That is the beauty of the sandbox we play in...something for everyone. Lastly, a shout out to the amazing escorts here in Toronto who treat me so well when I visit. My city has nothing that remotely compares to you...cheers!!

Hey mate, thanks a lot for walking me through it. You kind of summarised a lot of informational and comparisons which would have taken me hours to learn by internet by self.

Now I'm infact getting curious to try this out for a number of reasons.
1. Even with a well reviewed escorts, there is always a bad day and bad time and someone and mostly that would be me.
2. I like the cost differences that you had put, sounds more worth the money.
3. I felt the escorting is mechanic at times. This on the other hand sounds like a real feel.

 

[Leimonis]

3. I felt the escorting is mechanic at times. This on the other hand sounds like a real feel.

Chances of it feeling real with sb are pretty close to chances of it feeling real with Sp. And they are not high.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

Hey mate, thanks a lot for walking me through it. You kind of summarised a lot of informational and comparisons which would have taken me hours to learn by internet by self.

Now I'm infact getting curious to try this out for a number of reasons.
1. Even with a well reviewed escorts, there is always a bad day and bad time and someone and mostly that would be me.
2. I like the cost differences that you had put, sounds more worth the money.
3. I felt the escorting is mechanic at times. This on the other hand sounds like a real feel.

Happy to help. If you are at all curious to try the sugar world, I highly recommend that you do. A couple of things have the potential of happening. On one extreme, you quickly tire of the time, energy and patience it takes to find a reliable SB. And you realize the ease/certainty you get with escorts is the way to go. Additionally, the sugar world is filled with "stops and starts" in arrangements. For every one year arrangement I had, I had 10-15 that lasted between 1-5 dates. That's not to say the "short term" nature of these arrangements is a bad thing. Sugar relationships end for a variety of reasons, just like civilian dating...mediocre sex, the SB decides sex for pay isn't for her, personality conflicts, etc. Sometimes the sex was great, but scheduling becomes an issue. Also, sugaring is not immune from our basic nature to seek variety. One of the two people want to chase the next exciting thing. However, if a more "real" (that is, like a girlfriend) is what you seek (without the constraints of a traditional dating relationship) I think you have a much greater chance of finding this with an SB than an escort. On the other extreme (from getting quickly frustrated) is that you find a sugar relationship and the sugar world is exactly what you seek...and it becomes ingrained in your lifestyle. At some point, the ONLY thing an SB and an escort have in common is the exchange of the envelope. Sugar relationships can feel very real very quickly. SBs get into it for a variety of reasons. Some are already hooking up in the "real world" for free, and soon see the advantages of "sugar." Other's are truly intrigued by the concept of an older guy (a "daddy") taking care of them. Plus, many of us older guys live up to the stereotype that we know what we are doing in bed. The number of 21-25 year olds who have told me that I was the best sex they ever had was shocking...initially. Then, it made sense. We tend to be more "givers" than our younger colleagues. Again, the number of 21-25 year olds who have never received oral, or had quality oral, was shocking. So, imagine, being that age, being attracted to older guys, having the best sex of your life, and making $$$...with no drama or heartbreak. It is no wonder there is no shortage of wannabe SBs...but it all comes down to your willingness to put in the effort, and a little bit of luck. But, when you do find it, it is awesome. Again... just my .02 worth

 

[boneher]

I'm curious how often the SB will gradually just shift into a regular [non-paid] relationship. This has occurred with me with SP's in the past, however i have never tried out SB dating.

 

[Leimonis]

It is no wonder there is no shortage of wannabe SBs...

I’d say in Toronto there is a huge shortage. Everyone is complaining about economy but there is very little influx of new SBs (who look good enough to be on an agency roster).
I don’t know how to explain it other than maybe he economy is actually doing quite well or maybe the slut shaming is currently going strong among that generation.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

I’d say in Toronto there is a huge shortage. Everyone is complaining about economy but there is very little influx of new SBs (who look good enough to be on an agency roster).
I don’t know how to explain it other than maybe he economy is actually doing quite well or maybe the slut shaming is currently going strong among that generation.

you would think that getting into the SB world would be a way for 20somethings to make ends meet…thus creating a glut. Surprised to hear about a Toronto shortage. Oh well, another of the unique qualities of the sugar world

 

[lomotil]

Happy to help. If you are at all curious to try the sugar world, I highly recommend that you do. A couple of things have the potential of happening. On one extreme, you quickly tire of the time, energy and patience it takes to find a reliable SB. And you realize the ease/certainty you get with escorts is the way to go. Additionally, the sugar world is filled with "stops and starts" in arrangements. For every one year arrangement I had, I had 10-15 that lasted between 1-5 dates. That's not to say the "short term" nature of these arrangements is a bad thing. Sugar relationships end for a variety of reasons, just like civilian dating...mediocre sex, the SB decides sex for pay isn't for her, personality conflicts, etc. Sometimes the sex was great, but scheduling becomes an issue. Also, sugaring is not immune from our basic nature to seek variety. One of the two people want to chase the next exciting thing. However, if a more "real" (that is, like a girlfriend) is what you seek (without the constraints of a traditional dating relationship) I think you have a much greater chance of finding this with an SB than an escort. On the other extreme (from getting quickly frustrated) is that you find a sugar relationship and the sugar world is exactly what you seek...and it becomes ingrained in your lifestyle. At some point, the ONLY thing an SB and an escort have in common is the exchange of the envelope. Sugar relationships can feel very real very quickly. SBs get into it for a variety of reasons. Some are already hooking up in the "real world" for free, and soon see the advantages of "sugar." Other's are truly intrigued by the concept of an older guy (a "daddy") taking care of them. Plus, many of us older guys live up to the stereotype that we know what we are doing in bed. The number of 21-25 year olds who have told me that I was the best sex they ever had was shocking...initially. Then, it made sense. We tend to be more "givers" than our younger colleagues. Again, the number of 21-25 year olds who have never received oral, or had quality oral, was shocking. So, imagine, being that age, being attracted to older guys, having the best sex of your life, and making $$$...with no drama or heartbreak. It is no wonder there is no shortage of wannabe SBs...but it all comes down to your willingness to put in the effort, and a little bit of luck. But, when you do find it, it is awesome. Again... just my .02 worth

Because a guy is paying for the sex and the fantasy for the ego boast, even “21-25 years old” ladies know what line to say !
It‘s just a game, as long as buyer and supplier get what they want.

 

[Massivo]

It's a good question. Personally, I'd talk to them on the site (or off if you're on Seeking - no money talk, remember?) to set-up expectations.

In the past, I've suggested that we meet up for drinks or dinner first to talk, and if we vibe, we can take things from there. A lot of hotels have a restaurant with booths so you have a bit of privacy to talk. Plus, you're meeting at a hotel.

Also, if they start talking about sending pictures, cash "until we can meet up", I tell them right away I'm not looking for virtual - that usually gets the scammers to move on.

Brief update...

I'm in the Tri-Cities area by the way...That covers Guelph Cambridge and Kitchener.

Sugardaddy.ca continues to be problematic. I met up with one girl from there. Attractive, but actually an escort... PPM asked for was 500. Our personalities clashed and I passed... I'm talking to a second girl on there and now she's starting to ask for money for pictures. Sounds like a scam to me but we will see.

I've sent out several messages and paid another $100 (roughly) for 200 credits. I get the feeling that there is a lot of bots and fakes on that site so buyer beware! Will continue to update.

Seeking.com is going fairly well. Met up with one girl from there and she is also asking for 500. She's attractive and seems "normal" enough so I might take her up on the offer.

Overall seeking.com seems to be a way better site than sugardaddy.ca

 

[Zippythepinhead]

Brief update...

I'm in the Tri-Cities area by the way...That covers Guelph Cambridge and Kitchener.

Sugardaddy.ca continues to be problematic. I met up with one girl from there. Attractive, but actually an escort... PPM asked for was 500. Our personalities clashed and I passed... I'm talking to a second girl on there and now she's starting to ask for money for pictures. Sounds like a scam to me but we will see.

I've sent out several messages and paid another $100 (roughly) for 200 credits. I get the feeling that there is a lot of bots and fakes on that site so buyer beware! Will continue to update.

Seeking.com is going fairly well. Met up with one girl from there and she is also asking for 500. She's attractive and seems "normal" enough so I might take her up on the offer.

Overall seeking.com seems to be a way better site than sugardaddy.ca

Thanks for sharing those experiences. I’m curious about the Seeking.com potential SB. At $500 ppm ( which sounds reasonable) what are you expecting and wanting in terms of frequency per month, length of dates, and non-intimate dates?