I think he means things like vandalize her property. Expose her as a SB and nude photos to family and friends
Not that I would do those things but I heard of vengeful acts that guys might do
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Not that I would do those things but I heard of vengeful acts that guys might do
You guys have absolutely zero imaginationGuys who like to pay a family lawyer AND a criminal lawyer?
Well, that's an endorsement if I ever heard one!
Yes, there are definitely a few pros on these sites. Not just SDM, but they also make it easier for guys to talk to them without getting banned for discussing money.
There was one profile I saw as summer (she's gone now) that was clearly taken in one of Seduction's rooms; anyone who's been to their Brampton location would recognise it lol.
Another (still around) had a picture in her Bold section where she was holding a piece of paper, similar to how they do in LeoList ads. PM me if you want some leads
On the other hand, there are many UTR girls as well, who don't work at spas, but they do see a few guys at their own place.
Did you ever find you get many who do not reply back even after they initiated the messages? I think I wasted so many credits like this. I find so many girls here will write to you first compared to Seeking or SDM so makes me wonder if they're fake profiles/bots.
Ya, talking to one of my SBs, she indicated that she never messaged me. I showed her the thread. It's obvious that the program is doing it. I don't respond if the profile is obvious that we're not a match.
I signed up for SD and I'm getting a bunch of messages from random women like yourself. Luckily they are from girls I don't find attractive and so I never open them. But I have gone through my credits and I don't think the site is as good as Seeking... It's only been a couple of weeks for me so I haven't drawn any definite conclusions yet.
I find the girls from Seeking are more experienced or established so to speak than say SDM. There's definitely fake ones too from Seeking(met one girl clearly not the same pics). With sugardaddy.ca, there are so many cute ones but too bad I think most are fakes.
Fakes and flakes lol...New book title...
I bought 100 credits twice and I'm thinking now it's just better to spend money on a large amount of credits and get the bonus. I think it ends up being roughly the same price as seeking per month. I met up with a girl from sugar daddy. Just a meet and greet. Attractive enough but I don't think we get along...
I like the video verification as well...
As mentioned before, I've had a bunch of them message me but I haven't wasted credits opening their messages unless it's someone I would message first...
I think there are more fakes and flakes on sugar daddy than seeking...
PPM quotes have ranged from 300(1) 500(2) 450(1) 750(1)... None of these girls can host and if you're getting a hotel then you're into the premium SP prices...The $300 one might actually be able to host...We will see...
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Sounds about right. You find the ones $500 and up are just more attractive? The ones who say can host, might be escorts?
Those verification videos are weird. Many look so plain or bad lighting. You think if they put effort on the pics, they would spend similar effort on the videos too.
They don’t realize men get to see the videos. They think it’s authentication only. This is the best feature of this site by farSounds about right. You find the ones $500 and up are just more attractive? The ones who say can host, might be escorts?
Those verification videos are weird. Many look so plain or bad lighting. You think if they put effort on the pics, they would spend similar effort on the videos too.
That explains why some of them are so creepy. But Jezzus I’d be pissed if I was a girl using the site and my video was used for something other than I thought. It must be in the fine print somewhere that they have to agree to it.
Hey everyone, I’m looking for some guidance on sugar dating norms, specifically around the initial meet and greet and how ppm (pay-per-meet) works afterward. I want to make sure I’m setting fair expectations without getting taken advantage of.
- Initial Meet & Greet: What’s the standard breakdown? I’m fine covering dinner, drinks, or any activities for the first meet. If we hit it off, is a ppm expected right away, or only if things progress (e.g., intimacy)? If we don’t vibe, is it reasonable to just cover the date costs without a ppm? $ amounts will be helpful
- Post-Initial Meet: Once a connection is made, does the ppm typically stay the same for casual dates (e.g., just dinner or outings)? Or does it increase for more involved dates, like those including intimacy? How do you navigate what’s fair?
Rules I have followed in the past:
1) Never give a ppm for a meet & greet. Never. If a woman says she requires $$ because “her time is valuable” or “it is a way to show you are serious” she is most likely a rinser
2) After a mutually enjoyable m&g, offer a ppm you are comfortable with. Don’t try to lowball. Make it clear that it is not about her “worth” but, rather, it is what you can comfortably do to make this mutually beneficial arrangement work, and not seem transactional
3) the only tricky part is the question of ppm for non-intimate dates. I make it clear that I am willing to do several non-intimate meets to assess chemistry, make her feel comfortable, and establish connection. But, no ppm. That being said, as the arrangement progresses, I tend to add a little bit (occasionally) to the established ppm if we’ve had a couple of mutually agreed upon non intimate dates.
Those are the rules I play by. If you are respectful and consistent you can keep her happy for a long time without feeling like you have to raise the ppm. Good luck!
I agree with almost everything said here and do the same. I do set a PPM amount before even agreeing to a free/platonic first M&G though. I figure if the M&G goes well but she asks for 1k afterward or something it would have just been a waste of everyones time.
I do pay for everything (just like dating a civvie) on a date. That is my preference. I myself do not pay PPM for platonic dates at any time. If my company isn't of enough interest for them to spend their free time being taken out and taken care of, then they're not really a woman I want to spend time with anyway and we can just fuck for money instead if that's all she wants. I do tend to be generous with the PPM though and I like giving little presents and shit anyway so they generally tend to feel appreciated.
Generally, I find the range I am asked for is 300-500. I've never paid more than that for an SB. I also cover the hotel costs but about half of them can host anyway. Depends on the age range and demographic you are going after. Dayuse is a godsend.
As to the negotiation, I let them make the first move. They're the sellers in this marketplace, so they should set the price. My cop-out is saying "I never find it's a good idea to tell a lady what she's worth". Some undersell themselves. They ones I really like get well compensated anyway.
Excellent advice from Liam and Zippy here, and consistent with my experience as well. I’d also stress the idea of agreeing to the eventual PPM before you have the M&G, or at least a ball park range. The last thing you want is to have a great vibe with this girl over dinner and then discover she wants way more for a PPM than you can afford or are comfortable with.
I never pay for a platonic date, including the M&G, other than paying for coffee, drinks, dinner etc… And although it’s not something I’d usually do, I can understand how a guy would want a SB’s company without intimacy. Sometimes just being with a pretty girl can be intoxicating. In that case I’d suggest negotiating a sliding scale for both platonic and intimate dates up front. Again, you don’t want be tempted (lets be honest horny as hell for this girl) and find out she wants way too much. You’ll end up with blue balls or paying an inflated amount to get laid. The biggest red flag in this case would be her trying to increase her PPM ask after she has you hooked. It might be hard to walk away.
Some good points here. Interestingly, I find the discussion about ppm BEFORE the m&g can cut two ways. Logically, as Liam and GeeBee point out, it is frustrating and a waste of time to have a m&g go well only to find she wants unreasonable ppm. However, remember, if she views this as a negotiation, she is negotiating based upon a preconceived idea about you (which may or may not be accurate) and, thus, you are going to get a high number from her if you ask her first. She has been taught, either by people she knows who have been SBs, or by things she's read on chat boards, to make sure she does not undervalue herself and that any guy who is not a big $$ "whale" is just not worth it. Prior to the m&g, she has not been exposed to some of the things that would influence her to take a lesser dollar amount. For example, i am quite confident that guys who are polite, charming, put together (not necessarily handsome), respectful, and relatable in person are in a better bargaining position than guys who are NOT that, or guys who may be that, but the potential SB has only "met" you in texts or DMs. So, if you are confident in your overall "game," but are not the most traditionally handsome, perhaps waiting until the m&g to make an offer or ask her what she wants may work to your benefit. Just a thought.
Also, I find the question of who should make the first offer to be an interesting one. Traditional negotiating in non sugar arenas recommends letting the other person go first. I get that. Maybe she will ask for LESS than you were willing to give...win!! But, remember, there is a great likelihood that you are the more experienced negotiator. By letting her go first, and if she is high, your counter of a lower number will immediately make her take things personally...either hurt or insulted as she will see this as how you are valuing her. If you throw out your best offer with an explanation of that is what you are comfortable with you take the "personal" nature of a counter offer off the table. Either she will believe that is your "number" and will take it, or she will counter. In this case, you are still in the "power" position as you can walk away. I've had this happen 3 times and twice I got texts shortly after we parted amicably with some version of "I've thought about it and I really enjoyed meeting you and think your number is fair, let's give it a try." The third time she came back with a lower counter (but still higher than my comfort number). It must have been my charm, because it sure ain't my rugged handsomeness! Anyway, I guess the lesson in the sugar world is that finding a great match isn't easy. All we can do is put ourselves out there with a plan...and stick to it.
It's hard to say that the ones asking for 500 are more attractive. Beauty is subjective as we all know...Sounds about right. You find the ones $500 and up are just more attractive? The ones who say can host, might be escorts?
Those verification videos are weird. Many look so plain or bad lighting. You think if they put effort on the pics, they would spend similar effort on the videos too.
The contrast between the videos and their pictures can be startling and unsettling at the same time lol...
I'm just learning the ropes here. Do you find it's a good idea to let them know from the outset that there will be no PPM for non-intimate dates?
