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WyattEarp

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Posts like this show you have no idea of logistics.
Must get that from the felon in charge.
PO, the Guard was sent from one point in Cali to another. You have to know when Newsom is playing politics as well for dramatic effect I might add.

Perhaps you are confused by tweets and media. The Guard is trained to move quickly in crises. The food and water was likely trucked over later. Have you heard of a canteen?

You don't agree the Guard should have been sent.....fine. Let's not feed into the political nonsense even more.

By the way, I don't think the Guard should have been sent in but that's not the point here. However, we do know the L.A. police is undermanned. The Police Chief did admit they were overwhelmed by the protests. And yet......and yet, we have Cali politicians and media saying the L.A. police was fine. I think we know enough about politics to believe the Police Chief's initial responses. As the event extended, he's got to answer to the L.A. Mayor and her political posturing.
 
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Justin is on vacay, we now have SuperCarney!

This is what happens when an American comments on Canadian Politics. You are unaware of the nuance of the Canadian political landscape.
Hmmm, let me think.....Skoob, can you show me a link that shows Obama going into a red state and bringing in the National Guard and 600-plus marines? I'll wait....
Obama is on Martha's Vineyard. We have the Trumpster and before that Biden and Trump. We are eight years past the Obama Presidency.

This is what happens when a Canadian here is on too many social media sites. You forget what you posted and where.
 

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Wyatt, if this post above is correct, should your King follow the law or say FUCK IT, I am the King?

PS.... I don't really follow social media. I'm hardly on Facebook, Twitter (except to look at escorts) or IG. You need to stop your pretzelization to protect your King. At your age, I'm sure it's not safe and you will end up pulling a muscle or getting a hernia. Just looking out for your well-being.


Obama is on Martha's Vineyard. We have the Trumpster and before that Biden and Trump. We are eight years past the Obama Presidency.

This is what happens when a Canadian here is on too many social media sites. You forget what you posted and where.
 
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Wyatt, if this post above is correct, should your King follow the law or say FUCK IT, I am the King?

PS.... I don't really follow social media. I'm hardly on Facebook, Twitter (except to look at escorts) or IG. You need to stop your pretzelization to protect your King. At your age, I'm sure it's not safe and you will end up pulling a muscle or getting a hernia. Just looking out for your well-being.
Attacking minorities is all that trump can get his base to rally behind now.
They don't back the tariffs, think RFK jr is brain wormed weirdo and understand that he is cutting taxes to rich and paying for it by cutting medicare.

The US should go after amazon, netflix and their billionaire owners.

 

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SAN FRANCISCO — A federal judge cast doubts Thursday on the legality of President Donald Trump’s deployment of the National Guard in Los Angeles, warning that the Trump administration’s contention that the president’s position cannot be second-guessed — even by the courts — evoked the founders’ fear of a monarchy.


“That’s not where we live. We live in response to a monarch. This country was founded in response to a monarch,” U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer said during an emergency court hearing on a lawsuit filed by California Gov. Gavin Newsom. “The Constitution is a document of limitations.”

Breyer suggested Trump’s call-up of 4,000 members of California’s National Guard to the streets of Los Angeles — over Newsom’s fierce objection — may have been legally deficient.


The judge said Trump did not appear to have issued the order “through” Newsom himself, despite a legal requirement that such orders pass through the governor of the state involved.
“I’m trying to figure out how something is ‘through’ somebody if in fact you didn’t give it to him,” Breyer wondered aloud. “It would be the first time I’ve ever seen something going ‘through’ somebody if it never went to them directly.”
And the judge also sounded dubious of Trump’s claim that the unrest in Los Angeles posed a “danger of rebellion,” one of several possible predicates for his power to federalize California’s Guard troops. Breyer forcefully resisted the Justice Department’s contention that Trump’s claim of a potential rebellion is unreviewable by the courts.
“That’s the difference between a Constitutional government and King George,” Breyer said. “It’s not that a leader can simply say something and it becomes it.”
Justice Department attorney Brett Shumate insisted that violence directed at federal officials over the weekend was sufficiently dangerous to support Trump’s finding. Trump on Saturday ordered the guard to Los Angeles after a wave of protests there against the administration’s deportation policies turned violent.
Shumate argued that Trump had satisfied the law’s procedural requirements as well by communicating his order through Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth to the commander of the California National Guard, who answers to Newsom.


Even if the judge found fault in that process, Shumate said, it wasn’t enough to unwind the deployment. The DOJ attorney dismissed any slip-up as “a foot fault,” that the White House should be allowed to fix with new paperwork.

Breyer, 83, a Clinton appointee and the younger brother of former Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer, promised to make a determination “very soon,” perhaps as early as Thursday afternoon. And despite the judge’s inclinations in court, it’s unclear just what relief he could grant.

The only immediate, urgent ask from California Attorney General Rob Bonta’s office, which filed the lawsuit on Newsom’s behalf, was that National Guard troops be barred from taking part in immigration enforcement operations. However, it seemed during the hearing that Breyer was toying with the idea of declaring the whole National Guard deployment illegal.

At one point during the hearing, Breyer held up a pocket copy of the Constitution and waved it in front of Shumate. After the DOJ attorney said Trump has broad powers over the military under the founding document, the judge said those weren’t the only issues implicated by the case.

“This is a country that champions the right to free speech and champions the right to redress grievances. That’s also in the book,” the judge said.

Breyer did suggest several times that he was uncomfortable with the notion of micromanaging the operation of the military. He declined to immediately consider Newsom’s request to block the deployment of 700 active-duty Marines to Los Angeles, saying any action seemed premature because they hadn’t yet arrived in the city.

Shumate asked Breyer to stay the effect of any order he might issue for 48 hours so that the Trump administration could appeal. The state’s lawyer, Nicholas Green, opposed any such delay.

Newsom’s team, which filed the lawsuit on Monday, asked the judge on Tuesday to issue a temporary restraining order within two hours. The judge instead gave the Justice Department a day to file a written opposition and setting the hearing he held Thursday.
 

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PO, the Guard was sent from one point in Cali to another. You have to know when Newsom is playing politics as well for dramatic effect I might add.

Perhaps you are confused by tweets and media. The Guard is trained to move quickly in crises. The food and water was likely trucked over later. Have you heard of a canteen?

You don't agree the Guard should have been sent.....fine. Let's not feed into the political nonsense even more.

By the way, I don't think the Guard should have been sent in but that's not the point here. However, we do know the L.A. police is undermanned. The Police Chief did admit they were overwhelmed by the protests. And yet......and yet, we have Cali politicians and media saying the L.A. police was fine. I think we know enough about politics to believe the Police Chief's initial responses. As the event extended, he's got to answer to the L.A. Mayor and her political posturing.
Lol. The exact point is about sending in the guard. That's the title of the thread. We are debating that core question and the politics/policy behind, as well as the legal ramifications and precidents its creating/following.
 
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Attacking minorities is all that trump can get his base to rally behind now.
They don't back the tariffs, think RFK jr is brain wormed weirdo and understand that he is cutting taxes to rich and paying for it by cutting medicare.

The US should go after amazon, netflix and their billionaire owners.

HAHAHA, this is hilarious! This is the Clown at the WH in action

BREAKING: Rand Paul Speaks Out After Being Uninvited From White House Picnic: 'War On My Family'

I've never liked Rand but I give him credit for having the balls to stand up to Trumputin.

"Obama and Biden didn't disinvite us, how petty."

hahahahahahaha
 
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Wyatt, if this post above is correct, should your King follow the law or say FUCK IT, I am the King?

PS.... I don't really follow social media. I'm hardly on Facebook, Twitter (except to look at escorts) or IG. You need to stop your pretzelization to protect your King. At your age, I'm sure it's not safe and you will end up pulling a muscle or getting a hernia. Just looking out for your well-being.
squeeze, you aren't even following your own posts here. When you feel compelled to post a caustic response, you should probably get a sense of the progression in the discussion.
 
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WyattEarp

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Lol. The exact point is about sending in the guard. That's the title of the thread. We are debating that core question and the politics/policy behind, as well as the legal ramifications and precidents its creating/following.
In that instance, I was responding to the post of Newsom's tweet that the National Guard was not prepared to be deployed. There is so much wrong with that tweet. Immediate deployment is part of the job. Deployment in their own state of California is not a deployment overseas.

I also saw that some Guardsmen had to sleep in a parking garage. That's the job. They have to sleep wherever they are. I'm guessing someone thought rooms at the local Holiday Inn should have been booked.

Asking me if the Guard should have been deployed in that situation is whole other matter.
 

squeezer

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squeeze, you aren't even following your own posts here. When you feel compelled to post a caustic response, you should probably get a sense of the progression in the discussion.
I asked you about Mandy's Twitter post, and you accused me of being unable to follow your posts. DUDE, are you okay?
 

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In that instance, I was responding to the post of Newsom's tweet that the National Guard was not prepared to be deployed. There is so much wrong with that tweet. Immediate deployment is part of the job. Deployment in their own state of California is not a deployment overseas.

I also saw that some Guardsmen had to sleep in a parking garage. That's the job. They have to sleep wherever they are. I'm guessing someone thought rooms at the local Holiday Inn should have been booked.

Asking me if the Guard should have been deployed in that situation is whole other matter.
You would think maybe packs with a foam pad, or even sleeping bags available?

This is on the Guard really. But for the military budget you would think a few basics being prepared isn't out of the question.

Cripes I have bug out bags( there are railway tracks close enough to me, amongst other possibilities) for us prepped to go for a full week. Can be out in under 5 minutes probably.

Surely the US military, on home turf can do better?
 

WyattEarp

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I asked you about Mandy's Twitter post, and you accused me of being unable to follow your posts. DUDE, are you okay?
My bad. You posted my Obama-Trudeau response within your query so I didn't quite understand your response. It's early here.

In any event, I mentioned I don't think the President should have deployed the National Guard in L.A. But that's just an opinion. Now I personally would hesitate to opine on the legality. We're now in this labyrinth of lawsuits climbing the Federal judicial hierarchy.

You probably have heard the Appellate Court temporarily blocked the initial Judge's ruling in favor of California.
 
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Presiding over ten years of economic stagnation was his political death knell.
It wasn't bad. Just meh. If you talk to people it was his photo op antics that soured people. He got his majority on the promise to legalize pot(he did, but then all the stoners did care about voting again), electoral reform(backtracked), limited deficits(utter failure)and of course SUNNY WAYS.

By the first term end many caught on to his game. But votes switched as much to left and fringe parties allowing his survival.

Cobid saved his ass too, but the trucker overreach was a huge nail in his coffin.
 

WyattEarp

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You would think maybe packs with a foam pad, or even sleeping bags available?

This is on the Guard really. But for the military budget you would think a few basics being prepared isn't out of the question.

Cripes I have bug out bags( there are railway tracks close enough to me, amongst other possibilities) for us prepped to go for a full week. Can be out in under 5 minutes probably.

Surely the US military, on home turf can do better?
Does it really matter? Newsom's tweet was kind of a dig at the Trump Administration. I'm sure someone is being chewed out by the lack of readiness. Seriously, I have friends who are in the Guard and they can be deployed immediately. I like your use of the phrase "bug out".

Interestingly, I am not sure if the State or the U.S. Military is responsible for readiness of the Guard. The Guard is somewhat of a hybrid organization.

My point was essentially don't reflexively overreact to a politician's tweet especially one with Presidential ambitions. And please, don't tell me I don't understand logistics.
 
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