I wonder how long the emotional part will last. I know it will be along time until I travel to Canada again after Canadians booing the national anthem.
U.S., EU agree to trade deal framework that puts 15% tariffs on European goods
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That's ok, many of us Canadians have canceled any plans to travel to the US until the orange tint is washed away in 2028, so it's all good.
Add in that you really can't enjoy this hobby, it's a no-brainer to go elsewhere.
As I said, I would like someone to refer an objective synopsis of U.S.-Canada trade issues. I always start with the so called free trade agreements had far too many clauses for free trade.
No offense, don't dig up an article. I'm hoping someone less vested has come across something.
You just complained about trump and said you're happy that Ford did it.
Both are running massive deficits.
Both cut taxes to corporations and the rich, cut services and decided to add to their massive deficits by trying to buy favour with the public's own money.
Read my post again and tell me where I am complaining Trump is doing it?
Now that you have read it, do you understand it?The orange POS is now thinking about sending Americans' rebate cheques because of all the tax money he's taking in. I'm sure they will be stamped with Trump's fugly face on them. It will be akin to the Carbon Tax Rebate, so maga righties and pretzels be warned, bragging about this policy if the Trumputin Admin brings it in while railing against the carbon tax rebate.
Tariff rebate check: What Trump said and what we know
Trump says he’s considering a tariff rebate check: ‘So much money coming in’
President Trump told reporters this week that he is considering a tariff rebate check. Here’s what he said and what we know.www.livenowfox.com
I didn't mind the carbon rebates, the rebates the Liberals sent out and the one Ford sent out. If you can find a post of me complaining about any of these rebates going out, please feel free to prove me wrong.
Have you thought that the opinions expressed are correct and you are seeking opinion validation and not actual facts?
At least three years. I already have my travel plans for the next two planned out. Two trips within Canada, one to Mexico, and one to the Caribbean. Direct flights. I'm not going near your border agents.
As well my wine buying, liquor buying, and most product buying will be checked for labels. I can't do a complete boycott but a lot less money will flow.
And btw the booing was in response to threats of annexation. Your duly elected leader chose to be a fucking asshole. To not expect a negative response is ridiculous. To claim some sort of grievance in kind is myopic and shows the casual indifference prompting the response. It wasn't a joke. It was an insult to a long standing relationship we have spilled blood and treasure for.
These things are easily broken, and slow to repair.
No one here is talking about how hindered trade was under the long, bureaucratic free trade agreements. No one except me and a select few are discussing a U.S.-Canadian common market.
If the trade issues today are solely about negotiations and trying to get things each side wants, then that's just business. It appears we are no longer under the illusion of free trade. Negotiated trade has always been the norm. It's just now been brought out into the wide open.
If you and others believe Canada can go its own way on trade, I support that 100%. Given geography and economic interdependencies, I'm not sure that can be pulled off in a big enough way.
PS- Think about where many Canadians have come in the past few years. They were supporting the Trudeau regime that at best took an apathetic view of Western energy resources. Now Canadians are openly discussing increasing Western energy production and ways to process the resources domestically. Albertans seem to be very happy about these developments.
Ah, my bad.
I didn't think that the carbon tax, which was a single policy that included the tax and credits, was in the same discussion as retroactive tariff payback and definitely not in the same ballpark as the DoFo voter buyoff before the election.
I actually agree with you. However, I would say trade agreements aren't worth much under any U.S. regime. Countries like those in the EU will start working around trade agreements to create or get back advantages for their industries.
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Wars involving oil producers raise prices and it stands to reason that the end of these wars lower prices. The Ukraine war raised prices for a short time, but the glut of oil tamped prices down. And then, there's the decrease of Russian oil production.
Russian oil production collapses to 20-year low
Ukrainian attacks on oil refineries have hurt Russia's production of its key export.
www.newsweek.com
I'm not sure what happens in this analysis. Besides the costly shipping of oil to the East by train, where does it get refined?
You want to deal more with the practical economic realities rather than patriotic projection.
He's too good to cheat...
I guess you have to celebrate the successes when you get them.
Wars involving oil produces only raise prices until its clear production is not disrupted. Then they fall. Russias oil production has not varied much except for OPEC + curtailments. They oil is finding its way to markets so there is no change to global supplies.Wars involving oil producers raise prices and it stands to reason that the end of these wars lower prices. The Ukraine war raised prices for a short time, but the glut of oil tamped prices down. And then, there's the decrease of Russian oil production.
Russian oil production collapses to 20-year low
Ukrainian attacks on oil refineries have hurt Russia's production of its key export.
I'm not sure what happens in this analysis. Besides the costly shipping of oil to the East by train, where does it get refined?
You want to deal more with the practical economic realities rather than patriotic projection.
There are refinaries in the east still, about 402k BBLS a day in Quebec and 328K a day in the Maritimes. If you take 728K bbls a day off the table for export to the USA you will see a nice price bump.
..............................no deals until it is sealed.
Well, trade deals usually take years to iron out, it has to cover alot of things, including arbitration for violations. The shotgun trade diplomacy that Trump is doing is destined to fuck up.
If a trade deal does happen between the US and the EU, it would be the US that violates the trade agreements through emergency executive orders and not the EU.
I'm sure it'll be as amazing as the deal with Japan...............................no deals until it is sealed.
