Sugar Dating Experience

[Hipjdog]

Personally I'd find this kind of date as a green flag, but it depends what your're looking for. Her hesitancy in getting physical suggests to me that she's not very experienced and doesn't just get it on with everyone she meets in person. It also sounds like she needs a certain comfort level with the person before she gets physical. If she's willing to get together again despite justifiably not getting the gift on the first date, I would try again. Actually, I'd be willing for date two to not go "all the way" if there was at least some escalation, and seeing if it happens on date three. In my opinion, there's the potential here for some kind of semi-exclusive or exclusive arrangement which is what I prefer, and is worth putting the work into. On the other hand, if you're looking for a sure thing I can totally understand why the date would have been frustrating for you, and SPs are certainly more straightforward in that regard.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

It's possible with this girl had we gone on a few more platonic dates things would have escalated, but that
felt like far from a guarantee.

I find the lack of clarity with these dates frustrating. If you're incredibly blunt you risk scaring the girl off.
If you are too sheepish you find yourself paying hundreds of dollars for platonic "dates". I've tried to make
it clear in my text messages with the girl what I want without being crass. I guess some girls don't quite
get the message.

 

[Luke737]

What's the going ppm amount for sbs. Getting 400 to 1000 atm.

400 per meet? That’s way too much.
I’d just stick to SPs.

 

[joshwaltzy]

That's for sure, I think you'll start seeing an uptick later in August as most students start moving back before September. I've definitely noticed a bunch of new faces on SDM this weekend and they seem to be more responsive to messages. Be careful, I had one who seemed too eager to meet up this weekend, possibly due to pro-vibes or something else.

What do you mean by pro vibes?

 

[oral.com]

Yeah, I hear what you're saying.

It's possible with this girl had we gone on a few more platonic dates things would have escalated, but that
felt like far from a guarantee.

I find the lack of clarity with these dates frustrating. If you're incredibly blunt you risk scaring the girl off.
If you are too sheepish you find yourself paying hundreds of dollars for platonic "dates". I've tried to make
it clear in my text messages with the girl what I want without being crass. I guess some girls don't quite
get the message.

Next date will be the game changer.

 

[tombrady12]

400 per meet? That’s way too much.
I’d just stick to SPs.

What would you consider to be a reasonable ppm rate?

 

[Lv Wmn]

What would you consider to be a reasonable ppm rate?

I found ppm requests in the $ 400 to $ 500 and higher range. I also find many (most?) can't host so you are booking a hotel on top of the rate.

Having said that, they are not clocking an hour for this I think the time together tends to be longer.

I had an experience not that long ago she had said $ 350 and she could host in Mississauga.

Arrange for a day and time to meet.

Same person as the pictures I am thinking this is going to work out well.

Quickly figure out she is really drunk, it's 1 PM and she told me she had just come from the gym! No idea how she could have exercised.

Drunk enough that I decided there was no way she could actually consent to anything that might happen. Sure she only has a first name and phone number but the website could find me if she went that route. I left no way I was staying in that situation.

I have tried the SDM site a few times, met like two that I had ongoing meets with and two I only met once each.

Maybe some of you are better at searching and finding a SB that works for you, I am not sure i personally want to put in the effort for it and will stick with escorts

 

[Luke737]

What would you consider to be a reasonable ppm rate?

In comparison to SP’s with whom I don’t need to do the whole date organizing thing, the regular 150-200 with guaranteed s*x sounds like a better deal.

The SB arrangement is like Hinge but you’re paying them to hangout. Most women on dating apps are SBs, they just won’t admit it. The difference is they won’t come out and ask for payment. But you’ll order them cabs, pay for dinner, possibly buy them things. For most of them, you know you can’t wife them. They’re just good for pass time. And when you treat them well, they never want to leave even when you tell them explicitly.

I’ve had girls call and text me with strange numbers to try to get back together. They’ve even gone as far as tracking me down to interrupt dates with new girls. That’s the issue I have with the SB arrangement as well. I’ve even had SPs text me asking me for money after leaving because I tipped them or they saw my car and got a sense I have excess money to spend. How much more an SB? They’ll turn into a stalker and think they’ve found the man of their dreams.

I’ve had an SP tell me that she’s changed and she’s gone back to school, and I should send her 400 bucks. I did but I blocked her after that. Note that I only met this person once for about 45 mins. Women generally don’t want to work- like the song says, “girls just wanna have fun”

 

[tombrady12]

I don't think you'll find much for $200 but good luck to you. Personally, I'm fine with $400-500 for a multi-hour date and even gone as high as $600.

 

[Luke737]

I’m at a stage in my life when I don’t want to give my time to someone I don’t know if I’ll want to see again, let alone give them my money.

I see escorts strictly for s*x, and that’s about it. I’m sure there’s a lot of nice chats we can have but I really am not interested in chatting. Multi-hour dates, for me, are a way to genuinely connect and build a relationship. I can afford to lie to myself that I’m bonding with a lady I met off a dating app. I’m definitely not building a relationship with an SB. Why would I give them hours of my life or even pay for it?

 

[netsurfer]

I’ve had an SP tell me that she’s changed and she’s gone back to school, and I should send her 400 bucks. I did but I blocked her after that. Note that I only met this person once for about 45 mins. Women generally don’t want to work- like the song says, “girls just wanna have fun”

What? you didn't pay her the first (and only) time you met?
I wasn't aware that SPs are now entitled to one time payment from former clients if they decide to exit the industry.

 

[Luke737]

What? you didn't pay her the first (and only) time you met?
I wasn't aware that SPs are now entitled to one time payment from former clients if they decide to exit the industry.

I guess she wanted to turn it into a sugar baby arrangement. There were no other clients so I was the easy target.

She asked to meet up, I guess as a way to compensate for the gift. But I didn’t give her expecting anything in return.

Thinking about it now, I sent her money twice after only seeing her once. We were supposed to meet up again after the first session but it never happened. What I got instead was her asking for money. We all have hard times, no worries. But the relationship was beginning to look questionable.

 

[GeeBee]

Do you think a Rent a Girlfriend service like in Japan would be successful in Toronto?
Rates in Japan can be as low as $60/h, of course you'd still have to pay for food and drinks but nothing as exorbitant as an SB would charge.
There is explicitly 0% chance for it to turn physical (some girls don't even allow holding hands), and the main service is emotional labor. Many guys use it just to feel more comfortable around women, develop confidence, get dating advice, practice social skills, it's practically cheap therapy. The girl will also take the lead if you're socially awkward instead of expecting princess treatment.

It’s an interesting idea. I can see it as a good way for guys to get some comfort level with women, and TBH get lessons on how to interact with a pretty girl. You’re right it’s cheap therapy, and the only way to get this kind of practice with zero consequences.

I was useless at chatting up girls when I was young, and even as an older guy It did not come naturally. But seeing SP’s and eventually getting into the sugar world made my confidence level with women soar. Now I can sit in a bar or coffee shop and chat up girls or servers easily without any fear. I’m actually pretty flirty, and good at it. As long as I’m a pleasant guy and not an asshole, what’s the worst that can happen?

But it’s taken a lot of $$ with escorts to get to this point. (Although I’ve also had lots of great sex for my $$ too) The Japanese model seems like a good fit for guys who need some help.

 

[dchoye]

It’s an interesting idea. I can see it as a good way for guys to get some comfort level with women, and TBH get lessons on how to interact with a pretty girl. You’re right it’s cheap therapy, and the only way to get this kind of practice with zero consequences.

I was useless at chatting up girls when I was young, and even as an older guy It did not come naturally. But seeing SP’s and eventually getting into the sugar world made my confidence level with women soar. Now I can sit in a bar or coffee shop and chat up girls or servers easily without any fear. I’m actually pretty flirty, and good at it. As long as I’m a pleasant guy and not an asshole, what’s the worst that can happen?

But it’s taken a lot of $$ with escorts to get to this point. (Although I’ve also had lots of great sex for my $$ too) The Japanese model seems like a good fit for guys who need some help.

I notice that my flirting skills increased with seeking out SB too. Not so much with escorts.
My mindset used to be, I’m just there for sex and not for the chat Some girls are ditzy and bitchy that I don’t want them to open their mouths unless it’s to suck my dick.
My attitude changed over the years. Yes Im still with the girl for sex but some girls have surprising good attitude and sometimes there is chemistry there that goes beyond a business transaction.
With SB screening , it much like general dating, can tell when someone really into you
It does take time and effort and disappointments but big thrill when there is mutual attraction.

 

[Big John]

I’m at a stage in my life when I don’t want to give my time to someone I don’t know if I’ll want to see again, let alone give them my money.

I see escorts strictly for s*x, and that’s about it. I’m sure there’s a lot of nice chats we can have but I really am not interested in chatting. Multi-hour dates, for me, are a way to genuinely connect and build a relationship. I can afford to lie to myself that I’m bonding with a lady I met off a dating app. I’m definitely not building a relationship with an SB. Why would I give them hours of my life or even pay for it?

Why are you wasting your time reading and posting in this thread when clearly SB arrangements are not for you?

 

[Luke737]

Why are you wasting your time reading and posting in this thread when clearly SB arrangements are not for you?

Why’re you wasting your time replying to my comment when you learn nothing from it?

 

[Big John]

Why’re you wasting your time replying to my comment when you learn nothing from it?

Your posts in this thread are nothing but complaints about how “important” your time is and a pathetic attempt to somehow shame those who have found success with SB arrangements to compensate for your own failure to do so.

 

[Luke737]

Haha.. Failure? Pathetic? Do what you want, you obviously have plenty of free time on your hands and lots of cash to burn. I never said anybody should follow my lead. This is a lounge. We speak our mind. It’s not my fault if a fool is triggered.

 

[Big John]

Haha.. Failure? Pathetic? Do what you want, you obviously have plenty of free time on your hands and lots of cash to burn. I never said anybody should follow my lead. This is a lounge. We speak our mind. It’s not my fault if a fool is triggered.

I will continue to do what I want, enjoy my free time and comfortable budgets in life. Thank you for noticing.

You can only wish your useless posts here in this particular thread would trigger anyone with true experience with arrangements, how absolutely epic they can be (many have shared their stories here in the 100 pages before you) and I was just commenting on the nonsense you were posting, as does happen being here in the lounge.

 

[Luke737]

I will continue to do what I want, enjoy my free time and comfortable budgets in life. Thank you for noticing.

You can only wish your useless posts here in this particular thread would trigger anyone with true experience with arrangements, how absolutely epic they can be (many have shared their stories here in the 100 pages before you) and I was just commenting on the nonsense you were posting, as does happen being here in the lounge.

I didn’t post nonsense or disrespect anyone. I didn’t read the 100 pages. I’m sure you have read all of them considering the amount of free time you’ve confirmed that you have.

To each his own. We agree to disagree.

 

[Big John]

I didn’t post nonsense or disrespect anyone. I didn’t read the 100 pages. I’m sure you have read all of them considering the amount of free time you’ve confirmed that you have.

To each his own. We agree to disagree.

Yes I have casually read 100 pages of posts over 2 years since the thread started. I suppose that sounds challenging to you? You also make having free time sound like an insult...so strange.

Good luck with your search for $200ppm SB's in 2025. Let us know how that works out.