Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

Shaquille Oatmeal

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The video of the gunman running across and jumping from the roof, then across the lawn and parking lot clearly shows he is not carrying a long gun/rifle.
Actually if you watched the video a little closer, he was carrying something in his hand like a towel wrapped gun or a gun case, along with his backpack (which was already on his back).
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SchlongConery

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Gun violence in the United States is significantly related to gang violence.

Yes, the potential risk of gun ownership is gun violence, as is the risk of vehicle ownership is automotive fatalities, as is the risk of pool ownership being occasional drowning, etc.

These aren't controversial nor profound statements.
Well if you consider 13% of all gun homicides being significant, then we have different perceptions of significant.


But when you put suicides, accidents and law enforcement homicides etc into the mix, gang related gun deaths represent less than 5% of gun deaths in the USA.

You might be extrapolating Trump's obession with Chicago as being representative, as gang violence accounts for half of firearms homicides.

The big takeaway for me has always been the immense firearm saturation of American society. Having guns around the house does facilitate impulsive suicides, escalating domestic disputes from words, often skipping hands right to guns. Kids getting killed playing with the guns in dad's nightstand that are ironically there to protect the family is a real problem. Same with kids stealing the family protection gun to school and going on a shooting spree.

I'm happier living in Canada, with fewer guns. I've lived here and in the US and in Europe. While I would have a home protection shotgun and a concealed carry compact handgun (available) if I lived in the US, I'm so much happier and feel so much safer here in Canada where guns are not part of daily life for most Canadians.


AI Overview

In 2023, the most recent year with complete data, there were 46,728 firearm deaths in the USA, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). This total includes gun suicides, homicides, and accidental or undetermined deaths, with suicides accounting for the largest portion.

Breakdown of Firearm Deaths (2023)
  • Suicides: 27,300 (approximately 58% of the total)

  • Homicides: Approximately 17,927 (roughly 38%)

  • Other deaths: The remaining deaths were due to accidental circumstances, legal intervention (e.g., killings by law enforcement), or undetermined causes.
Key Trends
  • Increase from Previous Years: While the total number of deaths decreased slightly by 3% from 2022 to 2023, the number of gun-related deaths has significantly increased by 39.1% since 2014.

  • Suicide Rate: 2023 saw the highest number of gun suicides in 40 years
 

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No, it isn't.

One is a licensed privilege, one is an enumerated right in the United States.

The "legit social purpose" of private vehicle ownership could just as easily be downplayed as the private ownership of firearms for self defense.
Fine. Next time you're going to Mississauga or Oshawa, you can bicycle then. Budget 8 or 10 hours for the trip. And you might not even make it, if you're not young and fit.

But you don't need a gun to get by in Toronto - or any other Canadian city. 🤪
 
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Fine. Next time you're going to Mississauga or Oshawa, you can bicycle then.

But you don't need a gun to get by in Toronto - or any other Canadian city. 🤪
You must hate pedestrians and the environment, leave the driving to the professionals.

See, it's that easy to trivialize the "need" for a private automobile. Maybe think twice when you criticize someone else's life choices.
 
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Are there any ballistics reports confirming .30-06? I've seen an almost contact shot on an injured, but not yet deceased whitetail deer's neck with a 180gr soft point and it didn't come close to decapitation.
Not that I've heard of.

As you know, a deer's neck is significantly larger than a human and the trajectory makes all the difference. I'm not at all dismissing your personal experience. I've seen the strangest ballistic/impact signatures on things that don't make sense. At both extremes.

All I'm saying is that getting hit in the neck with any 30.06 slug at the trajectory he was hit seemed to have caused less damage than that slug did.

I have no alternate theory and have been careful to preface my Les Nessman Buckeye News Hawk reporter ballistic analysis with words like, "looks like", "should", might" etc.

But whatever calibre, I fear that these sniper attacks are going to continue if not increase with the rabid, rapid polarization the US is infected with.
 
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Actually if you watched the video a little closer, he was carrying something in his hand like a towel wrapped gun or a gun case, along with his backpack (which was already on his back).
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I've looked frame by frame as closely as I can and while I do think I see a little bit of a flagged projection of some textile material, it doesn't add up to a normal sized hunting rifle to my eye.

But it's too grainy to draw any conclusions from.
 

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Rifle recovered in a wooded area..........................very convenient and suspicious.


Is someone stepping into Charlies shoes to campaign to be president?

 

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So true.

When I turned in my guns for destruction many years ago, rather than sell them, I did so because I never wanted the risk that MINE might be the ones to kill or hurt someone or some thing. I would gladly, and did, give up my 'right' to firearms in Canada and would 100% support laws reducing the prevalence of guns in Canada. I did so at a cost of probably $25k as I had a couple of nice engraved Benelli trap shooting guns, a MacMIllan 50 cal in addition to a half dozen handguns and bunch of other misc rifles.

However, the US is beyond any recovery when it comes to guns. So IF I lived in the US, I would definitely own a self defence short barrel shotgun and a concealed carry small frame 40 S&W. In fact, probably 15 years ago when I had a place in Florida, I got a FL DL and took the CCW course and had a nice little cheap compact 40 cal of some sort I bought at a gun show. Ended up being a PITA to carry and secure and the places I frequented were hardly dangerous areas. So I ended up selling it back to a pawn shop.

NO WAY they are ever going to gather up the guns on the USA. Even if there was a price of $1,000 on every POS gun out there, they'd never find them all. So many sitting forgotten in basements, barns, old cars boxes etc. I think your 400M number is low.

I have zero ideas of any realistic or practical solutions to the gun problem in the US. Except to live in Canada and hoep the gov't invokes the notwithstanding clause and enacts 5 and 10 year minimum sentences for simply carrying a firearm (5 years) and (10 years) for carrying or using the firearm in the commission of another offence. Including traffic offences. Having a gun when a cop pulls someone over puts the stop on a whole next level.
Canadian style gun laws would definitely help. It's really crazy how they want to make gun access easier when they already have a 3rd world level of gun violence. Like why in the flying fuck do you need guns in public places including government buildings and out in public? Hand guns should be prohibited to at home and thr gun range. Hunting rifles to home and the woods. You really shouldn't be able to buy ammo out of vending machines or guns in a back ally beside a gun show. There should also be a required gun safety course which should he mandatory and a limit to thr amount of guns owned and much stricted penalties for people who don't secure them. Why this is so crazy to the conservatives is beyond me
 
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Canadian style gun laws would definitely help. It's really crazy how they want to make gun access easier when they already have a 3rd world level of gun violence. Like why in the flying fuck do you need guns in public places including government buildings and out in public? Hand guns should be prohibited to at home and thr gun range. Hunting rifles to home and the woods. You really shouldn't be able to buy ammo out of vending machines or guns in a back ally beside a gun show. There should also be a required gun safety course which should he mandatory and a limit to thr amount of guns owned and much stricted penalties for people who don't secure them. Why this is so crazy to the conservatives is beyond me
Holy shit, "vending machines"? "Back alley behind a gun show"? You're not actually familiar with gun laws in the US are you?
 
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You must hate pedestrians and the environment, leave the driving to the professionals.

See, it's that easy to trivialize the "need" for a private automobile. Maybe think twice when you criticize someone else's life choices.
Nah. I just have to get to the burbs and there's no other practical way of getting out there. You clearly don't live in this city.

Yeah, but there ARE all those pedestrians on the 401, I guess. Strange that I haven't killed 15 or 20 pedestrians, given that I'm such a automobile fiend. 🤪
 
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