Civil War: MAGA in Turmoil

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Trump hasnt deported anyone illegally.

He has. Both US citizens (which is outright illegal) and non-US citizens without due process.
So he has eroded democratic values and violated several amendments in the US constitution, which is unlawful.

Was this shooter part of the MAGA Nazi crowd too?

We don't know yet. The motive is yet to be established.
However the majority of terrorism in the US is from right wing extremists as I said before.

So long as Trump abides by the constitution and rule of law, there's nothing wrong with what he's doing.
It doesnt matter if you dont like it, or if it hurts your feelings

He is not abiding by the constitution or the rule of law.
He has violated several constitutional amendments.
And no, it does not hurt my feelings as I am neither an American citizen nor do I live there.
I am only concerned about how his ideology poisons the minds of the youth and others in Canada, which I view as a threat. Rightfully so.
Thankfully we dodged a bullet earlier in the year.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

He has. Both US citizens (which is outright illegal) and non-US citizens without due process

Name a few

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Name a few

Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Peters Releases New Report Detailing Trump Administration’s Unprecedented Constitutional Violations and Executive Overreach - Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Gary Peters (D-MI), Ranking Member of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, released a new report detailing how the Trump Administration has seized key Congressional powers, defied federal court orders, and retaliated against critics. The...

www.hsgac.senate.gov

An AI Summary of the above in an easy to read table. And this is likely not even exhaustive.

Issue / Action	Constitutional Violation	Constitution Article / Amendment	Why
Defying federal court or Supreme Court orders	🟥 Yes​	Article III	The Executive Branch is constitutionally required to obey judicial rulings.
Overriding Congress on spending / blocking congressionally appropriated funds	🟥 Yes​	Article I (Appropriations Clause)	Only Congress has the power to allocate and control federal funds.
Ordering election agencies to change voter registration rules	🟥 Yes​	Article I, Sec. 4	Congress and the States set election rules, not the President.
Denying citizenship to people guaranteed it by the 14th Amendment	🟥 Yes​	14th Amendment	Birthright citizenship is constitutionally guaranteed.
Sending people (noncitizens or citizens) to foreign prisons without due process	🟥 Yes​	5th Amendment, Article III	Government cannot deprive anyone of liberty without due process.
Retaliatory arrests of political opponents, students, or journalists	🟥 Yes​	1st, 4th, 5th Amendments	Violates protected speech, bans unlawful seizures, and requires due process.
Targeting or punishing media outlets for critical coverage	🟥 Yes​	1st Amendment	Government retaliation against the press is unconstitutional.
Targeting or punishing law firms or attorneys for representing opponents	🟥 Yes​	1st & 6th Amendments	Violates freedom of association and access to legal representation.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Peters Releases New Report Detailing Trump Administration’s Unprecedented Constitutional Violations and Executive Overreach - Committee on Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Gary Peters (D-MI), Ranking Member of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, released a new report detailing how the Trump Administration has seized key Congressional powers, defied federal court orders, and retaliated against critics. The...

www.hsgac.senate.gov

An AI Summary of the above in an easy to read table. And this is likely not even exhaustive.

Issue / Action	Constitutional Violation	Constitution Article / Amendment	Why
Defying federal court or Supreme Court orders	🟥 Yes​	Article III	The Executive Branch is constitutionally required to obey judicial rulings.
Overriding Congress on spending / blocking congressionally appropriated funds	🟥 Yes​	Article I (Appropriations Clause)	Only Congress has the power to allocate and control federal funds.
Ordering election agencies to change voter registration rules	🟥 Yes​	Article I, Sec. 4	Congress and the States set election rules, not the President.
Denying citizenship to people guaranteed it by the 14th Amendment	🟥 Yes​	14th Amendment	Birthright citizenship is constitutionally guaranteed.
Sending people (noncitizens or citizens) to foreign prisons without due process	🟥 Yes​	5th Amendment, Article III	Government cannot deprive anyone of liberty without due process.
Retaliatory arrests of political opponents, students, or journalists	🟥 Yes​	1st, 4th, 5th Amendments	Violates protected speech, bans unlawful seizures, and requires due process.
Targeting or punishing media outlets for critical coverage	🟥 Yes​	1st Amendment	Government retaliation against the press is unconstitutional.
Targeting or punishing law firms or attorneys for representing opponents	🟥 Yes​	1st & 6th Amendments	Violates freedom of association and access to legal representation.

I asked for specific names. Do you have any??

 

[Valcazar]

Only those with green cards or visa's.

Trump cannot deport US citizens, its against the constitution

Removing people with green cards and visas is not "denaturalization".
That is removing the citizenship of people who weren't born in the US.
(And don't forget that they also are against citizenship for people born in the United States.)

Don't just make up new definitions for what they say.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Removing people with green cards and visas is not "denaturalization"

Where have I said that it was??

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I asked for specific names. Do you have any??

Stop bobbing and weaving and read the article.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Stop bobbing and weaving and read the article

I asked you a simple question and you failed miserably.

I did the work for you. According to AI there have only been a couple of people this has happened to:

Google Search

Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez was mistakingly held in detention but was later released.

V.M.L. (age 2): In April 2025, a 2-year-old US citizen born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, was deported to Honduras along with her mother. A federal judge deemed the act "illegal and unconstitutional".

Romeo and A.A.Z.M.: In April 2025, a 4-year-old boy with stage 4 cancer and his 7-year-old US citizen sister were removed from the US with their mother to Honduras. The children's lawyers accused the Department of Homeland Security of using deceptive tactics.

This is all I could find.

Trump has deported about 400,000 illegals last time I checked.
So out of those 400,000 only 3 people illegally deported, and I believe they were eventually returned.

You're claim that ICE is deporting US citizens regularly is patently false.
Clearly you didnt do your research on this topic, you just let your stage 5 TDS do the thinking for you

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You are claim that ICE is deporting US citizens regularly is patently false.

Nice wordsmithing.
I said the Trump administration has deported US citizens. I did not say "regularly". You just added that.
Yes citizens are not deported in the same numbers non-citizens are.
But they ARE deported and there are instances in the article I provided and in your own quote below.
And you love self owning, don't you Phil? lmfao.

V.M.L. (age 2): In April 2025, a 2-year-old US citizen born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, was deported to Honduras along with her mother. A federal judge deemed the act "illegal and unconstitutional".

Romeo and A.A.Z.M.: In April 2025, a 4-year-old boy with stage 4 cancer and his 7-year-old US citizen sister were removed from the US with their mother to Honduras. The children's lawyers accused the Department of Homeland Security of using deceptive tactics.

You quoted 2, but there have been many more.
However, this is the lesser issue.
The larger issue is the unconstitutional deportations of non-citizens.
And I also see you had no response to the constitutional violations you asked for and I provided a table. lmfao.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Nice wordsmithing.
I said the Trump administration has deported US citizens. I did not say "regularly". You just added that.
Yes citizens are not deported in the same numbers non-citizens are

Good, I'm happy you agree with me that deportation of US citizens does not happen regularly, and when it does happen it appears to be by mistake

You quoted 2, but there have been many more

How many more?? Name them all, please

And I also see you had no response to the constitutional violations you asked for and I provided a table

Whats there to respond to??

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Good, I'm happy you agree with me that deportation of US citizens does not happen regularly, and when it does happen it appears to be by mistake

Yes, it is a mistake, unlawful and unconstitutional.

How many more?? Name them all, please

I don't have to name them.
Names don't have to be published to acknowledge the reality of what is happening.

Whats there to respond to??

True. There is nothing to refute. It's just facts.

 

[Valcazar]

I answered this already.
That is STILL ILLEGAL.
The US CANNOT suspend immigration only for non-whites, which is what suspending immigration from third world countries means.

Of course they can.
You are forgetting the saga of the Muslim Ban.
They had to re-write it repeatedly, but eventually put enough plausible denial about it to pass muster from the Supreme Court.
They are more confident and more in the tank for Trump and his agenda now, though, so writing a version of this that pretends to not be about targeting non-whites while still accomplishing that goal should be pretty easy since the SC will give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Valcazar]

Pause - a temporary stop

Now do "permanent pause".

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I don't have to name them.
Names don't have to be published to acknowledge the reality of what is happening

If you can't name them then at least post news links or articles that prove some US citizens were deported illegally.

I'll be waiting

 

[Valcazar]

There is no official definition of a third world country.

Which is how this is going to work.

What Trump means, by using that term and if you read his post, is "non-white".

Of course.
But the actual order once finally produced will have enough plausible deniability for the SC.
You can see Phil using the approved line already - it's just unfortunate that the dangerous countries are mostly non-white.
It's not racism, it's just a coincidence.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

If you can't name them then at least post news links or articles that prove some US citizens were deported illegally.

I'll be waiting

I posted an extensive wiki article.
You yourself quoted 2 names.
You are not satisfied with the self own?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I posted an extensive wiki article.
You yourself quoted 2 names.
You are not satisfied with the self own?

Right, that's what I thought. You have absolutely no evidence to back up your stupid claims.

Aside from a few mistakes, there are no US citizens being deported. Its complete bullshit!

You lost whatever credibility you had

Now if you excuse me, I have to go watch the Tottenham-Fulham match

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

If US were citizens were actually deported those people could sue for million$ of dollars, and they would win that lawsuit easily

 

[Valcazar]

The constitution of the United States doesn't answer to immigrants or foreigners.

Can you clarify your statement?
Do you mean it doesn't apply to immigrants or foreigners?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Aside from a few mistakes, there are no US citizens being deported. Its complete bullshit!

If there were mistakes, and US citizens were infact deported, which you have agreed to already, then you cannot make the claim that no US citizens are being deported.
Even detaining a US citizen is unlawful.
You keep owning yourself. lmfao.