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jcpro

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More reason than to have far more restrictions on Gun Laws as they are getting more and more dangerous and in a place like the USA over 45,000 lives were lost in 2022 just from guns related deaths!!

Yes, I do not believe BS!!
Actually the number is about 22k. The rest are suicides. Over 78k were killed by opioids in the same time. BTW, "gun control " means that my rounds are hitting the target.
 

cunning linguist

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They saved lives?

The Las Vegas Mass Shooter Had 13 Rifles Outfitted with Bump Stocks. He Used Them to Fire 1,049 Rounds.


58 Lives lost and 800 injured. How did it save lives? You are beyond redemption!!
If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would understand...I'll paint you a picture, this time.

It took an hour and 15 minutes between the first shots and when SWAT had finally found the shooter, already dead in his room. The shooter had time, concealment and elevation all working in his favour.

Full auto or bump fire is more difficult to control and the shooter certainly missed more than he hit. If he took aimed, controlled shots, can you imagine how many more dead there could have been in that 1+ hour of shooting when he faced zero returning fire?
 

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I bet you if "red flag laws" automatically blocked trans (or insert flavour of the month special interest group here) people from legally owning firearms, you'd be singing a different tune.
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Wow. That's pretty pathetic and pretty dumb. In the one case of a trans mass shooter, the police knew she was in crisis and owned guns but were unable to take her guns away and that was one of the major systemic issues leading to the mass shooting. Sounds like you're just making excuses to avoid talking about sensible restrictions backed by pretty much anyone not connected to the gun lobby.

And why is it you're against red flag laws? Is it some paranoid conspiracy about Obama taking away your guns?


p.s. I know it's strange but most of us support red flag laws whether the shooter is an unstable incel, an unstable white supremacist, or an unstable trans person.
 
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basketcase

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This may come as a shock to you, but gun owners support initiatives that target actual crime, like Project Moneypenny. Wonder how long it will take before it's deemed "racist".

However useless, feel-good legislation that specifically targets and criminalizes gun owners? Not so much.
How many responsible gun owners do you think support universal background checks and red flag laws? Love how you keep trying to claim 'responsible' gun owners are victims here when neither of the things massively supported by Americans would impact them. If you're a law abiding owner then background checks and red flag laws won't impact you. It's only the criminal and unstable gun nuts that would be impacted.
 

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Don't worry. The M16 is being phased out. the new rifle is far more powerful.

p.s. For the weekend warriors, the civilian version is already available (if they're not already sold out). I'm sure when mass shooters rack up even higher death tolls using these, the thoughts and prayers will still be there.
 

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About 21k Americans die by guns(excluding suicides) every year out of population of well over 320 million. How many die of drug overdoses pouring through the open borders every year? Let me help you- over 78 THOUSAND.
Too bad the narrative of amnesty seekers carrying drugs are absolute crap.
 

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In that age, civilians could own the exact same rifle (cutting edge weapons technology at the time) issued to infantry and keep it in their own homes. That is no longer the case, as the average civilian can't own an M-16/M4; the AR-15 is a compromise.

Yet the ignorant continue conflate the two and spread disinformation.
I'm pretty sure the framers intended for the second to guarantee the right for mentally unstable criminals to own guns.

p.s. The 2nd was intended to reduce the cost of running state militias, expecting civilians to bring their own weapons. Like so many aspects of state national guards replacing militias, that is completely irrelevant now.
 
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basketcase

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Guns should simply not be available. If we need gun to have a good society we are doomed. It's a lose lose situation.

Nothing but absolutely nothing can come good with guns.
I disagree. They are a useful tool and in some rural places a necessity for defence from animals. Of course sensible regulations are needed and handguns should be severely regulated like Canada does.
 
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cunning linguist

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...And why is it you're against red flag laws? Is it some paranoid conspiracy about Obama taking away your guns?
"Paranoid conspiracy"?

Here you are advocating for a way for someone to summarily have their property seized and you dare dismiss it as a "paranoid conspiracy"?
 

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"Paranoid conspiracy"?

Here you are advocating for a way for someone to summarily have their property seized and you dare dismiss it as a "paranoid conspiracy"?
Yes, absolutely it's a paranoid conspiracy theory.

If you are mentally unstable to the point where there are reports from psychiatrists and family members concerned for your safety, you sure as fuck shouldn't have guns. If you recover or show you're not a threat then you can get them back.

One reasons to oppose red flag laws is either you know you're are a threat to the public and don't want your killing spree interrupted. The other is a belief that "they" are coming to get you. Actually, they're both pretty much the same thing.
 
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cunning linguist

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Yes, absolutely it's a paranoid conspiracy theory...
I understand that due process sure is inconvenient to your agenda.

Bet you'd change your tune if we brought back carding or implemented stop-and-frisk; all of a sudden you'd become a champion of due process.

What a joke.
 

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I understand that due process sure is inconvenient to your agenda.

Bet you'd change your tune if we brought back carding or implemented stop-and-frisk; all of a sudden you'd become a champion of due process.

What a joke.
So are you still sticking with the paranoid conspiracy that laws temporarily removing guns from known threats are really a marxist plot to take your toys away?

I'm sure that you're just as upset that someone caught driving while drunk should be allowed to continue on their way because the courts haven't proven the charges yet. Maybe you don't like accused criminals being held in jail even they haven't had their day in court yet? No? Just about guns? No surprise there.


p.s. My agenda? I guess you can call supporting background checks and restrictions on known threats to be an agenda. Seems I share an agenda with some 70% of Americans.
 

cunning linguist

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I'm sure that you're just as upset that someone caught driving while drunk should be allowed to continue on their way because the courts haven't proven the charges yet. Maybe you don't like accused criminals being held in jail even they haven't had their day in court yet?
Driving drunk isn't a thought crime, it's being caught committing an actual crime.

Is there a "background check" for buying alcohol or a car, do liquor stores or car dealerships check your driver's abstract for previous DUIs before selling your their respective product? Can you be realistically SWATted by a prankster in either scenario?

It's funny hearing "progressives" justify their version of arresting for "driving while black".
 

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"Paranoid conspiracy"?

Here you are advocating for a way for someone to summarily have their property seized and you dare dismiss it as a "paranoid conspiracy"?
A lot of people's concept of "property' is way skewed towards rights and away from responsibilities. It's all about your rights and just fuck everyone elses...
 
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Driving drunk isn't a thought crime, it's being caught committing an actual crime.
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I love how you gun guys try and warp everything to fit your conspiracy theories of a marxist takeover.

Drunks have their keys temporarily taken away because them driving at that time poses a threat to society. Red flag laws have people's guns temporarily taken away because having guns in their mental health crisis poses a threat to society. In both cases, the courts can then rule whether they get them back.

It's amazing that you keep basing your arguments around 'responsible' gun owners so it makes absolutely no rational sense that you want irresponsible gun owners to stay armed.


p.s. when you try and use the car analogies, remember about driving tests, registration and, insurance.
 

cunning linguist

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...Drunks have their keys temporarily taken away because them driving at that time poses a threat to society. Red flag laws have people's guns temporarily taken away because having guns in their mental health crisis poses a threat to society. In both cases, the courts can then rule whether they get them back...:poop:...p.s. when you try and use the car analogies, remember about driving tests, registration and, insurance.
The old basketcase MO; cut, run, selectively answer and still miss the point. Taking a drunk's keys usually involves more of a degree of investigation, like a field sobriety test; a higher threshold than making an anonymous phone call and having your door kicked in by a SWAT team.

P.S. remember when you do the car analogy, here in Canada, you are under no legal obligation to drain the fuel from your fuel tank when it's parked and not in use. You are not criminally charged for having your vehicle stolen.
 

cunning linguist

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A lot of people's concept of "property' is way skewed towards rights and away from responsibilities. It's all about your rights and just fuck everyone elses...
Plenty of responsibility on display amongst gun owners; the overwhelming majority of them don't commit crimes with them.
 

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The old basketcase MO; cut, run, selectively answer and still miss the point...
No clue what You're talking about because the question I asked was why (other than conspiracy theories) do you oppose people in mental health crisis having their guns temporarily removed. All that you provided as an answer is some nonsensical argument about property rights that you think applies to guns but not other things.

And are you seriously arguing that gun owners should be allowed to keep loaded weapons around the house? Sounds like you're not a great example of a "responsible gun owner".
 
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