Actually the number is about 22k. The rest are suicides. Over 78k were killed by opioids in the same time. BTW, "gun control " means that my rounds are hitting the target.
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If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would understand...I'll paint you a picture, this time.They saved lives?
The Las Vegas Mass Shooter Had 13 Rifles Outfitted with Bump Stocks. He Used Them to Fire 1,049 Rounds.
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The Las Vegas Police Department on Friday concluded its investigation into the mass shooting at the Route 91 Harvest festival, which claimed the lives of 58 people and left more than 800 injured. The final report produced by the department provides a detailed timeline of law enforcement’s...www.thetrace.org
58 Lives lost and 800 injured. How did it save lives? You are beyond redemption!!
It took an hour and 15 minutes between the first shots and when SWAT had finally found the shooter, already dead in his room. The shooter had time, concealment and elevation all working in his favour.
Full auto or bump fire is more difficult to control and the shooter certainly missed more than he hit. If he took aimed, controlled shots, can you imagine how many more dead there could have been in that 1+ hour of shooting when he faced zero returning fire?
Wow. That's pretty pathetic and pretty dumb. In the one case of a trans mass shooter, the police knew she was in crisis and owned guns but were unable to take her guns away and that was one of the major systemic issues leading to the mass shooting. Sounds like you're just making excuses to avoid talking about sensible restrictions backed by pretty much anyone not connected to the gun lobby.
And why is it you're against red flag laws? Is it some paranoid conspiracy about Obama taking away your guns?
p.s. I know it's strange but most of us support red flag laws whether the shooter is an unstable incel, an unstable white supremacist, or an unstable trans person.
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How many responsible gun owners do you think support universal background checks and red flag laws? Love how you keep trying to claim 'responsible' gun owners are victims here when neither of the things massively supported by Americans would impact them. If you're a law abiding owner then background checks and red flag laws won't impact you. It's only the criminal and unstable gun nuts that would be impacted.
Don't worry. The M16 is being phased out. the new rifle is far more powerful.
p.s. For the weekend warriors, the civilian version is already available (if they're not already sold out). I'm sure when mass shooters rack up even higher death tolls using these, the thoughts and prayers will still be there.
You can get your hands on the Next Generation Squad Weapon before the Army does
With such high demand, this auction might be your best chance at buying one.
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I'm pretty sure the framers intended for the second to guarantee the right for mentally unstable criminals to own guns.
p.s. The 2nd was intended to reduce the cost of running state militias, expecting civilians to bring their own weapons. Like so many aspects of state national guards replacing militias, that is completely irrelevant now.
I disagree. They are a useful tool and in some rural places a necessity for defence from animals. Of course sensible regulations are needed and handguns should be severely regulated like Canada does.
"Paranoid conspiracy"?
Here you are advocating for a way for someone to summarily have their property seized and you dare dismiss it as a "paranoid conspiracy"?
Yes, absolutely it's a paranoid conspiracy theory.
If you are mentally unstable to the point where there are reports from psychiatrists and family members concerned for your safety, you sure as fuck shouldn't have guns. If you recover or show you're not a threat then you can get them back.
One reasons to oppose red flag laws is either you know you're are a threat to the public and don't want your killing spree interrupted. The other is a belief that "they" are coming to get you. Actually, they're both pretty much the same thing.
I understand that due process sure is inconvenient to your agenda.
Bet you'd change your tune if we brought back carding or implemented stop-and-frisk; all of a sudden you'd become a champion of due process.
What a joke.
So are you still sticking with the paranoid conspiracy that laws temporarily removing guns from known threats are really a marxist plot to take your toys away?
I'm sure that you're just as upset that someone caught driving while drunk should be allowed to continue on their way because the courts haven't proven the charges yet. Maybe you don't like accused criminals being held in jail even they haven't had their day in court yet? No? Just about guns? No surprise there.
p.s. My agenda? I guess you can call supporting background checks and restrictions on known threats to be an agenda. Seems I share an agenda with some 70% of Americans.
Driving drunk isn't a thought crime, it's being caught committing an actual crime.
Is there a "background check" for buying alcohol or a car, do liquor stores or car dealerships check your driver's abstract for previous DUIs before selling your their respective product? Can you be realistically SWATted by a prankster in either scenario?
It's funny hearing "progressives" justify their version of arresting for "driving while black".
A lot of people's concept of "property' is way skewed towards rights and away from responsibilities. It's all about your rights and just fuck everyone elses...
I love how you gun guys try and warp everything to fit your conspiracy theories of a marxist takeover.
Drunks have their keys temporarily taken away because them driving at that time poses a threat to society. Red flag laws have people's guns temporarily taken away because having guns in their mental health crisis poses a threat to society. In both cases, the courts can then rule whether they get them back.
It's amazing that you keep basing your arguments around 'responsible' gun owners so it makes absolutely no rational sense that you want irresponsible gun owners to stay armed.
p.s. when you try and use the car analogies, remember about driving tests, registration and, insurance.
The old basketcase MO; cut, run, selectively answer and still miss the point. Taking a drunk's keys usually involves more of a degree of investigation, like a field sobriety test; a higher threshold than making an anonymous phone call and having your door kicked in by a SWAT team....Drunks have their keys temporarily taken away because them driving at that time poses a threat to society. Red flag laws have people's guns temporarily taken away because having guns in their mental health crisis poses a threat to society. In both cases, the courts can then rule whether they get them back......p.s. when you try and use the car analogies, remember about driving tests, registration and, insurance.
P.S. remember when you do the car analogy, here in Canada, you are under no legal obligation to drain the fuel from your fuel tank when it's parked and not in use. You are not criminally charged for having your vehicle stolen.
Plenty of responsibility on display amongst gun owners; the overwhelming majority of them don't commit crimes with them.
More guns = more deaths by guns
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No clue what You're talking about because the question I asked was why (other than conspiracy theories) do you oppose people in mental health crisis having their guns temporarily removed. All that you provided as an answer is some nonsensical argument about property rights that you think applies to guns but not other things.
And are you seriously arguing that gun owners should be allowed to keep loaded weapons around the house? Sounds like you're not a great example of a "responsible gun owner".
