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[MattRoxx]

Matt. Considering the TTC has stated that her plan to refurbish buses is unworkable due to no space for storage, lack of drivers and the fact the buses are to far gone why is it such a good idea?
Considering how busy the streets are now I don't see how it would have much effect anyway beyond a very temporary measure. Why would a driver leave to car home to take a bus in the same traffic. Sorry but this will not get drivers off the road. It will help a bit for those already taking if it was POSSIBLE but it isn't.

This is a small town solution for a big city. Like I said. Good councillor. Bad Mayor.

Andy Byford, the TTC head said the Relief Line is needed more than the Scarborough subway, and our current mayor ignored that.

We need "temporary" solutions because it will be 12-15 years before there is any new subway line running. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

 

[fuji]

I'm voting for Tory actually.

But the temptation to vote Ford and see him re-elected is a strong one, just so I can stick it to the Lefties

Troll!

 

[fuji]

Matt. Considering the TTC has stated that her plan to refurbish buses is unworkable due to no space for storage, lack of drivers and the fact the buses are to far gone why is it such a good idea?
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It is what people want, two thirds support her on this. Sheep Nation is out of touch with voters.

 

[Butler1000]

It is what people want, two thirds support her on this. Sheep Nation is out of touch with voters.

Sorry, let me clarify. The TTC has stated that this particular idea to refurbish the old buses is unworkable.....the TTC and Andy Byford said this. I have no issue with the concept as a temporary solution but clarity is in order. It would be a lot more money to have to in fact buy more NEW buses and build NEW storage and maintenance space for them. As well as the extra personel.

Her plan, while a good idea is flawed in how she wants to execute it. It can't be done. She needs to go back and re-budget it. Tell the real cost of the concept. And if the voters still like it, great. But with FULL disclosure.

 

[Butler1000]

Andy Byford, the TTC head said the Relief Line is needed more than the Scarborough subway, and our current mayor ignored that.

We need "temporary" solutions because it will be 12-15 years before there is any new subway line running. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

Except the relief line is still far away. Much further than the extension. The subway can be started there and has the funding. It sets a precident of building. And of funding from all levels of gov't. Once you tell the feds no thanks to their money then you may not get a second bite. Better to get them thinking about MORE funding in the future then none at all.

 

[IM469]

But the temptation to vote Ford and see him re-elected is a strong one, just so I can stick it to the Lefties

No, you are sticking to ALL rational people in Toronto. It only makes the lunatic fringe happy. If you are inclined to hero worship drugged out alcoholics - maybe you can run down to the drug clinic and find another mayor candidate.

 

[groggy]

S The TTC has stated that this particular idea to refurbish the old buses is unworkable.....the TTC and Andy Byford said this. I have no issue with the concept as a temporary solution but clarity is in order..

The subway can be started there and has the funding. It sets a precident of building. .

The LRT was funded and provided way more transit for more people for less money (when you count in all the routes and funding that was set up for transit city).

But now you're complaining that we can afford 3 subway stops for $1 billion but can't afford to put a few more buses on the streets?

 

[Polaris]

I'm voting for Tory actually.

But the temptation to vote Ford and see him re-elected is a strong one, just so I can stick it to the Lefties

Of all the candidates for the mayor, excluding Rob Ford because we do not know long he will be incarcerated in re-hab, no one has the ablitity to "stick it" to opponents, except for two exceptions.

Rob Ford, and Olivia Chow.

Do not be fooled by Olivia's pleasant demeanor. She is a real Chinese woman. She can, and will, "stick it" to anybody when it suits her purpose, or when she feels like it.

If the city does not know what a Chinese woman is like, the city will know it, if Olivia becomes mayor.

Stinz is a bimbo. Tory a corporate ass kisser. Those two no fun at all.

:hippie:

 

[Butler1000]

The LRT was funded and provided way more transit for more people for less money (when you count in all the routes and funding that was set up for transit city).

But now you're complaining that we can afford 3 subway stops for $1 billion but can't afford to put a few more buses on the streets?

Actually I never stated we can't afford it. And in fact stated it isn't a bad idea in principle. But the numbers are wrong according to the TTC. And what can be done as well with the fleet now and with the infrastructure to maintain an increased fleet. So her 15 million per year price tag is wrong. She needs to redo the numbers then come back and see.

As for express buses during rush hour this has been tried and really doesn't work well. We do have a few now. They charge a double rate. And have limited stops(which they have to to maintain they are express). In the end they don't serve that many people. Add in the traffic gridlock already and you are not going to save a lot of people a lot of time sitting in their cars. At least a crowded subway moves despite traffic.

Of course people will say yes to more of any transit. That's how bad it is due to dithering. And Chow would dither further on mass transit creation. That's a fact.

She is bringing councillor thinking to the Mayors position. I don't believe she has the vision to to think bigger than a ward or a riding. She was fine when she only had to look after local matters and ride Jack's coattails. But I think she will, like Ford be in over her head. Fuji said it best with Ford and I think it applies to Chow.

Good councillor. Bad Mayor.

 

[james t kirk]

To the folks on this thread, Toronto has other reasons to be embarrassed other than Ford. Crappy public transit, crumbling Gardiner, Leafs, etc.

So to those who want him out, you will be the 1st ones crying in your soup when the new regime starts hammering us with taxes, frivolous spending, etc.

Saying "Ford is an embarrassment to the city", is b.s. No one stops visiting a city because of the mayor. Toronto is booming and continues to flourish. Just because a few late night hosts poke fun at Ford doesn't mean this has a negative impact on the city.
So get over it already.

Why do people think that Ford is the only guy who can be fiscally responsible?

You can have fiscally responsible without the associated shit show.

John Tory or Karen Stintz will be fiscally responsible.

Besides, all the fiscal responsibility attributed to Ford was actually the work of Doug Holyday. Holyday was always the man who was actually running Toronto, not Ford.

 

[Butler1000]

Why do people think that Ford is the only guy who can be fiscally responsible?

You can have fiscally responsible without the associated shit show.

John Tory or Karen Stintz will be fiscally responsible.

Besides, all the fiscal responsibility attributed to Ford was actually the work of Doug Holyday. Holyday was always the man who was actually running Toronto, not Ford.

So glad I will have the opportunity to put him in again in my riding in a month.

 

[Insidious Von]

Stinz is a bimbo.

I'm proud to say that I contributed to the campaign of the Bimbo.

So there was a rally of Rob Ford bumpkins at his headquarters @ Warden - Lawrence, proudly sporting their FORD NORE YEARS t-shirts. Can these "taxpayers" comprehend what a hit in business revenue Toronto will take if Mayor Bumboclot is re-elected?

 

[Boober69]

I'm proud to say that I contributed to the campaign of the Bimbo.

So there was a rally of Rob Ford bumpkins at his headquarters @ Warden - Lawrence, proudly sporting their FORD NORE YEARS t-shirts. Can these "taxpayers" comprehend what a hit in business revenue Toronto will take if Mayor Bumboclot is re-elected?

Hit in business revenue? How do you mean?

If there is money to be made in Toronto by local or foreign investors, no one will hesitate because of the mayor, no matter what he does or says. Toronto is booming and it's not because of Ford. When the boom slows down it won't be because of him either.

Why don't you explain your paranoia to us perhaps?

 

[Boober69]

Like Ford himself, you're trying to have it both ways (and doing nothing useful) Either Toronto is a crumbling embarrassment or it is booming and flourishing.

Rob's been on Council since the '90, and Mayor for almost a term without having a single improvement for any of our ills or a single step forward (a flourish) that he can take the slightest credit for.

If all you care about is laughing at late night TV, then you haven't noticed the paralysed stagnation and the rudderless policy vacuum having a stuporous drunkard, lying in the Mayor's chair and abusing drugs in his office has made of City Council.

Never mind the endless blather and bleating about a petty slacker's personal failings, criminality, lying and incompetence that has distracted you, me and everyone else who cares about the City from real issues for the past year.

He's far away now and if he didn't lie about that too, he's getting help at last. Good luck to him, and good riddance. Now let's focus on picking a good Mayor who can be trusted to really do a job of work.

If that's Rob Ford for you, you're welcome to your choice, but for the rest of us he's running on his record.

The two have nothing to do with each other.
The city is booming financially. If you want to simply say Ford has done nothing as a councilor or as mayor then at least compare what others before him have done that was so helpful. At least we don't have mountains of rotting garbage in our streets like we used to have with Miller. At least councilors now publish their expenditures so we know where our money is being spent. The only way to obtain this info before was through a FOI request.

Toronto is not a crumbling embarrassment. The righteous among you may be embarrassed for whatever reason. But Toronto has nothing to be embarrassed about. In fact, the only thing Toronto should be embarrassed about is people like you who get so easily offended by late night TV hosts.

Why don't you move out of Toronto to a little town no one knows before your life gets shattered by (GASP!) more embarrassment! Oh the horror!

 

[fuji]

The only reason why we haven't had another strike is that Ford caved in and gave the unions everything they wanted.

He did contract out some of the garbage pickup, but that was in the first few months before he pissed Council off. After that his inability to get along with anyone paralyzed the city for two years, until Council started working around him end eventually removed his powers.

 

[GPIDEAL]

The only reason why we haven't had another strike is that Ford caved in and gave the unions everything they wanted.

He did contract out some of the garbage pickup, but that was in the first few months before he pissed Council off. After that his inability to get along with anyone paralyzed the city for two years, until Council started working around him end eventually removed his powers.

WTF are you talking about Fuji?

Miller fed the rats before he caved in. If we want a rat population like NYC or New Orleans, David Miller is our man to get that job done.

 

[GPIDEAL]

The two have nothing to do with each other.
The city is booming financially. If you want to simply say Ford has done nothing as a councilor or as mayor then at least compare what others before him have done that was so helpful. At least we don't have mountains of rotting garbage in our streets like we used to have with Miller. At least councilors now publish their expenditures so we know where our money is being spent. The only way to obtain this info before was through a FOI request.

Toronto is not a crumbling embarrassment. The righteous among you may be embarrassed for whatever reason. But Toronto has nothing to be embarrassed about. In fact, the only thing Toronto should be embarrassed about is people like you who get so easily offended by late night TV hosts.

Why don't you move out of Toronto to a little town no one knows before your life gets shattered by (GASP!) more embarrassment! Oh the horror!

Boober, where have you been all this time he he?

Mind you, I think it's time for Rob Ford to step aside. If he's this dumb to get caught, and is demonstrably addicted to whatever, he can't be as effective as we might think. Maybe the critics are right to a degree.

 

[AdamH]

At least we don't have mountains of rotting garbage in our streets like we used to have with Miller.

Do you mean the garbage strike?

The only way to obtain this info before was through a FOI request.

Much like how we now have to find out how our current mayor spends his days (although even when we finally get our hands on it, there are enormous blocks of time labelled "misc", "personal time", "constituent visits" that we now know were often spent drinking with his loser buddy Lisi)?

Toronto is not a crumbling embarrassment.... Toronto has nothing to be embarrassed about

Really?

Toronto has other reasons to be embarrassed other than Ford. Crappy public transit, crumbling Gardiner, Leafs, etc.

Change of heart?

Why don't you move out of Toronto

Ah yes... The most mature of responses.. "Don't like the way WE do it? Then GET OUT!"

Right now I don't actually think we should be embarrassed with Rob Ford being our mayor.. Many people didn't realize what they'd be getting.. Now if we reelected the absolute slime of a human being, THEN we'd deserve all the ridicule we'd get. Toronto will have shown to the world that we aren't "Toronto the good". We're "Toronto the stupid, gullible, and greedy".

 

[GPIDEAL]

Anyone else would do a better job of resolving these problems. Ford is incompetent. Anyone else is better for the city.

Not anyone IMO but you could be right Fuji.

(If you want to see real incompetence, just refer to that dedicated streetcar lane on St. Clair which is perhaps one of the greatest fuck ups in our city. Not to say that those streetcars are bad - they've been there for years. New tracks and pavement yes, but confining traffic flow like they did is demonstrably an anti-car statement by that tree hugging environmental wacko David Miller who unnecessarily created more gridlock).

 

[AdamH]

(If you want to see real incompetence, just refer to that dedicated streetcar lane on St. Clair which is perhaps one of the greatest fuck ups in our city. Not to say that those streetcars are bad - they've been there for years. New tracks and pavement yes, but confining traffic flow like they did is demonstrably an anti-car statement by that tree hugging environmental wacko David Miller who unnecessarily created more gridlock).

St. Clair is beautiful. The businesses along the new line are doing better than before. Traffic never moved smoothly along St. Clair and it's really not any worse now (the extra lane was almost always clogged with buses anyway). Transit, however, DOES run infinitely smoother along that stretch (buses don't have to jockey for position and each streetcar can carry far more than a bus). My only complaint is that you can't simply turn left just anywhere, you often have to do a U-Turn and come back. But that's not really that much of a hassle.

The bulk of the gridlock occurs at Keele (where the route begins) and it's only going to get worse with the new Stockyards Mall open there now. However that has as much to do with the fact that the intersection has ALWAYS been shit and that they've recently closed down alternate routes to get around the bottle neck.

I also have heard that they didn't take into account the new height of the new streetcars and additional work might need to be done to allow the new streetcars under some of the bridges... If that's the case, then that's a royal fuck up.