I'll have to wait until I get home this weekend to link the study, but the numbers make sense. Those numbers are from a worldwide study so all salaries were adjusted to US dollars and costs of living. Plus they are average salaries. If the cost of living difference is 25%, in Canadian dollars that would be about $43k in 2010. In the US first year engineers can expect $55-70k or $65-87k Canadian.
Teachers Taking "Sick Days" - Anyone want to defend this one?
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There is a simple way teachers can defend this all they have to is bring in a note from a doctor verifying they were sick. Clearly if they were sick they would want to know what is causing it so they don't spread it to the kids. I am sure there would be no objection to this requirement made for teachers. After all they would only take off sick if they were actually sick.
THat would cost the health care system likely tens of millions extra, per year, on top of the additional cost of supply teachers. What's a dr. going to do. " Dr., my stomach hurts." OK, i guess I'll write a letter saying my patient's stomach hurts. Not sure how that solves the problem. Only adds increased stress to the health care system.
The time to debate the terms of a contract is before it is signed. The previous contract allowed teachers to bank unused sick days for a later need or to be sold back. Some teachers probably had months of time saved up. This is a benefit the schools had agreed to pay.
The new contract closed the bank and told the teachers to either use the days or lose them. If your bank told you that they were closing your account and you had to withdraw your money or lose it, would you let the bank keep your money?
When the new contract was signed, every school administrator should have worked with the teachers to deal with the issue. It takes no special talent to realize what would happen. Instead, there is a crisis because no one recognized the obvious.
The new contract closed the bank and told the teachers to either use the days or lose them. If your bank told you that they were closing your account and you had to withdraw your money or lose it, would you let the bank keep your money?
When the new contract was signed, every school administrator should have worked with the teachers to deal with the issue. It takes no special talent to realize what would happen. Instead, there is a crisis because no one recognized the obvious.
Sad to see many people's mentality these days. They spot a few bad apples in big apple tree, and they prefer to cut up the entire tree, instead of appreciating the good apples which happen to big the big majority.
I know many teachers who truly are deserving of the responsibility of teaching our kids, and for many reasons. Shame on the idiot teachers who abuse the system, but I know those are a small percentage, and I'd rather focus on the good teachers who work more than 8hrs a day for 10mths and deserve the time-off, salary, and benefits they get.
I know many teachers who truly are deserving of the responsibility of teaching our kids, and for many reasons. Shame on the idiot teachers who abuse the system, but I know those are a small percentage, and I'd rather focus on the good teachers who work more than 8hrs a day for 10mths and deserve the time-off, salary, and benefits they get.
Ahhhh. JL, we meet again.
Sure it may be biased. Biased but informed. At least it represents one side of the argument, other than those that talk about their children's questionable assignments (topic being their choice), or how 'they know teachers' simply because they have children.
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Hypothetical question, what if the teacher had graded the Beiber History assignment an F with the reason being "bad choice in topic", the kid gets upset, goes home to complain? What would the consequences be? I see the possibility of the resulting parental shitstorm getting the teacher in trouble because of unfairly grading an assignment. The actual work done may have deserved a good grade, you can't fault the teacher for the kid's poor taste in music.
I know when I was a High Schooler several years ago. Whenever I needed extra help, and usually it was math. Math was torture back then.
I stayed after school, and there was this little office area where all the math teachers hung out between classes. Sometimes there were a few teachers that teach above my grade doing whatever, I guessed marking papers. My teacher was never there.
What bugged me and continued to do so now, is that the math office was always empty after 3:30. Always. At 3:30, teachers join the stampede out of that school along with the students.
I had to hire a private tutor. I think we bent over too much for these teachers, and whenever they act up. The students always pay for it, their extra curricular, their proms held hostage during negotiation. They make public sector workers look bad.
I stayed after school, and there was this little office area where all the math teachers hung out between classes. Sometimes there were a few teachers that teach above my grade doing whatever, I guessed marking papers. My teacher was never there.
What bugged me and continued to do so now, is that the math office was always empty after 3:30. Always. At 3:30, teachers join the stampede out of that school along with the students.
I had to hire a private tutor. I think we bent over too much for these teachers, and whenever they act up. The students always pay for it, their extra curricular, their proms held hostage during negotiation. They make public sector workers look bad.
Great logic.
So, you're admitting that at least some teachers are faking illness? Not sick, but taking sick days?
What happened to integrity and work ethic?
Unless they and every other public sector employee are required to submit proof of illness, faking or not faking illness is completely irrelevant.
He was giving Toke a run for his money and based on Toke's attempts to insult members here at any turn if they happen to have issues with teachers - it seemed only fair to puit the two together. Red can post very well, or can give you the crap you dish. I saw it has a fair trade. You and I having a debate in a thoughtful and respectful way is different.
As others have pointed out, your numbers seem a little off. So I will wait until you find that article you were looking for. As it stands, from what others have reported in the 80-100K yearly salary, starting salaries in the 50k range, I think that teachers are over paid.
Now see I disagree. I have had great experience with Principals, VP's, EA's, board facility, etc. It is those people who have given my children what I expect from teachers. I have to often go higher to get these teachers to simply do their job.
For example, 1 teacher - who has been off all week BTW and is responsible for the "study hall" class that my daughter as had all week - decided that he wanted to implement a no bag/jacket policy in his class. Making it impossible for some to get to class on time depending on which week the school is working on. {class changes from 3rd to 4th every other week} If you bring a bag or a coat, you are kicked out of his class. Not sent to put it away in your locker and then come back. Nope. Kicked out for the whole class. The room is cold, the books are heavy. He is simply doing it to be an ass. When questioned on why, he simply says, "cause it is my class. My class, my rules" Not one specific reason given.
Now I teach my daughter that sometimes, you just have to deal with arrogant assholes in life and this is one of them so learn now. His class, his rules. So follow it. I was in the school 2 weeks ago with this idiot, explaining what a coat was. A shall, a mini jacket that is indoor attire is not a outside coat. He kicked my daughter out of class for indoor attire that he said was a coat. So trip to the Principal, have him deal with it. He did. The teacher didn't like it of course and funny enough, he is now on vacation with his "sick days" Sorry but he is a loser, an idiot who doesn't even know half of what he is teaching, and walks around with a chip on shoulder.Always giving attitude, acts entitled to everything. The principal wants to fire him. Does not think he is a good fit for the school, but can't do shit about it.
2 kids straight through from JK to Grade 12 and my daughter almost finished herself, I have had to deal with over 75 teachers roughly. 80% of have been crap. Higher ranking staff, 100% have been great. Those are my stats from my experience.
Good point. Seems Toke is a great example as well. He is so biased and closed minded, he gets automatically defensive and goes on the attack. Parents are not good parents getting involved, opinions of others don't count based on his ignorant judgments and when confronted head on, he takes his ball and runs away. THIS is not what I want my children to learn.
I disagree. Sorry. People keep saying that they "lose" the days. The days, in my opinion, are set up to assist IF a teacher is sick. Ensure that they stay home instead of passing the illness around. I don't want my teachers worrying about making rent at the end of the month. I don't want them to come in sick because they need the income. I would prefer to pay them to stay home. They are doing a public service and I agree with assisting as much as possible BUT don't fucking use me and take me for a ride and abuse my good nature. That is what is being done. THAT is what I feel is morally wrong and personally I would NOT do it. If I wasn't sick and didn't need the days, then I would feel blessed for my health. Not think of a way to scam the people I work for. THAT is just me however.
Not jealous at all, just don't like paying 2 people for one job. It is not needed and since it is my tax dollars that are at work here, I have a right to voice that opinion.
I know many teachers as well who are great. Mine for example. My experience with elementary and high school teachers is not the same however. In my experience the bad apples far out weight the good apples in these two levels of educators.
This is where you show just how truly ignorant your are. Parents "know" the teachers they deal with and you can not "know" what those experiences are yet you seem to try and insert that you do. Telling a poster here who confirmed an inclass ISU for you, that you question it simply because it did not fit with your insulting argument to her. Happens more times than not in high school now. Give a ISU because it is easier then teaching a lesson and they only have one assignment to grade instead of an additional few little one if they had actually taught on a daily basis.
As for me, you dismissed my opinions based on what again - that I am a part time escort photographer and web-designer. Yet because you are so ignorant, you have no idea that I actually teach too! Privately. Oh and I am a TA for some course as well in the college level. And yes, I still have these opinions. So if your opinion is okay based on your biased and close minded attitude of being a teacher, guess what? Mine is too. Your arrogant, ignorant opinions, coupled with your clear sense of false entitlement is exactly the type of "teacher" I and many others have issue with. Never willing to look at yourself. Always the students' fault, or the parent's fault, or the governments fault, etc etc. It is really sad to be honest.
I would have supported the F and gave my daughter shit for doing such a crap job. Accountability. I make everyone accountable for their own actions, including my children.
Ya, extra help in a subject. Forget it! In elementary there is no way that will be happening, and in high school they got the peer tutor route. Just another pass off to someone to educate the kids.
No it is not. It gives way to public opinion and THAT my friend is very relevant.
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My opinions have been clearly noted. I know some will agree, some will disagree. That is fine. It is not something that is going to change anytime soon and I am not here to change minds or have my mind changed. Really busy lately so I may not make it back into this thread.
Have a great day all.
I see. The appropriate standard of personal conduct is the lowest common denominator. Wonderful.
Spoken like a man that doesn't pay any taxes and therefore doesn't care how his tax dollars are wasted. The Liberals bought and paid for the public sector union support over their last two terms. "everyone" had nothing to do with "cutting" that series of sweetheart deals.
Are teachers not responsible for how they are treated. Look at firemen and the collasial waste of taxpayer's money we have there. Yet somehow they are looked up to like heroes....while they are out taking work away from other people because they already have there benefits and pension looked after so they can distort the actual value of the work. Fresh and bright in the morning after a good nights sleep. Maybe they could learn something from them perhaps.
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lets just keep bashin the teacher, most folks here couldn't qualify to do the job anyway so always easy to complain.
People are bashing teachers because they deserve to be bashed. Most folk here couldn't qualify to do my job either. Means nothing.
I wonder if more teachers will come down with another bad case of "entitlement"? After all, tomorrow is Friday!
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As far as "qualify" to do the job ???,...judging by their attitude,...just about anybody would.
Plus,...there are a LOT of "jobs" out there that require much higher qualifications AND dedication that pay less.
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Hey teach,...so you think nobody should bash or complain about a profession that is publically lying,...and could care less ???
As far as "qualify" to do the job ???,...judging by their attitude,...just about anybody would.
Plus,...there are a LOT of "jobs" out there that require much higher qualifications AND dedication that pay less.
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