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What is the best trade to go into ?

Yoga Face

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Your approach is all wrong
If you "talk him into something" there is a possibility he may regret it latter and resent the hell out of you
Encourage him to throughly investigate and research both routes "Trades" & "University" before making any life long decisions

Both have advantages and disadvantages

What if he is not the career dog-fucker you are and deep down wants to get a whole lot more out of a career than putting in his 20-25 years and out?

As a trades person he will generally doing what is asked of him i.e weld this, wire that, stop that leak, put that drain in

If he goes to university he may (nothing is guaranteed) get to make decisions like " We need to put a drain here"

DO NOT sell this kid short and decide for him.
It really must be a decision he is happy with and one he makes himself.

Shame on you for trying to talk him into what is good enough for you
You are correct and what I meant to say is that I am trying to get my nephew to consider other options ( IE a trade) not that I AM SO POMPOUS AND PRETENTIOUS that only I can make his decision

Only he can make this decision

I need to be more careful with my words
 

Hangman

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getting yanked out of bed before daybreak to go on a march before breakfast sounds like discipline to me

And yes, before accepting a position in the army do your research before hand Esp if you plan to use it upon getting out of the forces
I don't get your posting sometimes. Are you asking for advice or giving it?
 

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As he is average student I suspect after degree he will be seeking trade anyways and be three years behind where he could have been

He is so uninformed of university alternatives how does he know where his "passion" lies ? ( you sound like Tony Robbins - personally I think he is a self promoting extremely glib fraud who spews just enough half truths that people follow him )
I know several 'average students' in high school that went on to do great things at university, including PhD's. Boy did they ever want to go back to their high schools to show up a teacher or two! Guys in high school are not the most inspired, and the control of their teachers are stifling. Don't let his high school performance dictate his choice of educational institution, assuming he is intelligent of course.
IMHO the best thing you can do is inform his of all his options but let him follow his heart and his gut. Its great that you care so much about his career, education and debt levels but it has to be his choice. You're probably a great uncle. But don't force him, it will turn his away from you. I wish him luck!
 

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As for the discussion on the armed forces I have to say that most people seem happy with their choice of joining, this is from talking to people who are still in and who have left early. One person I know who got an early discharge (honourable) regretted leaving b/c he would've been able to retire much earlier.
I'm not going to recommend any career b/c its too personal. You have to wake up almost every day for the rest of your life and face it so you better enjoy it whatever it is. Sure it has to make enough money, but you have to like it to a certain point in order to be happy.
 

Ceiling Cat

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I am trying to get my nephew to consider career optiions other than university ( he is a bright but not exceptional student)

They never taught him about the benefits of trades in school as they gear you for university as though university is the Holy Grail

Police making double time and half watching a construction project

Retire after 9 years with 90% retirement package

If it was that easy, everyone would be a cop.

Firemen working 7 days per month as they are on duty while asleep

While firemen do spend the vast majority of time on stand by, some of the work is extremely hazardous.

Electricians playing cards on duty because all the work is the quick connecting of modules

Electricians work is a lot of physical labor. Most of these guys smell of BO.

Why go to university just to go into debt and then make less ?

A university education can be a dead end, it would all depend on what you do with your
knowledge. The people that make the fortunes are the ones with ingenuity, entrepreneurship, and can see things that others can not see.


Become a fireman and go to university part time if you insist on learning stuff you will never even use in conversation before you forget it :rolleyes:

One alternative idea is go to boot camp - you do not sign the army contract until after boot camp - get toughened up, make a couple of grand and get a bigger perspective before making a commitment
The world is changing, the days of the uneducated person getting a job at a factory manufacturing is over. Even the military can have its pic of the cream of the crop, yes they will accept the people with less ability for the lower ranks but there is no future there. In the future, people will required to have several career changes in their lifetime.
 

capncrunch

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... yes they will accept the people with less ability for the lower ranks but there is no future there.
Sorry, CC, but by this statement you have demonstrated that you have absolutely no clue about what the military does and does not offer.
 
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Ceiling Cat

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The people that have some education and that can meet some need of the armed forces will be accepted in the ROPT - Regular Officer Training Plan. The ones with less or no ability will sent to the lower ranks.

Yes, a person from the lower ranks can demonstrate at a later time aptitude and ability and be recommended for a specialty or ROTP.
 

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The people that have some education and that can meet some need of the armed forces will be accepted in the ROPT - Regular Officer Training Plan. ROTP. The ones with less or no ability will sent to the lower ranks.
As in everything........it is the GRUNTS that do the bulk of the work.
 

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Discussed this topic with my mechanic yesterday while he did some work for us. He said that he would not encourage youngsters to become mechanics. The new car technology is advancing so rapidly that a mechanic is always in a state of learning how the damn things run. Plumbing or electricity on the other hand are fairly stable technologies. There has not been a similar advance in technology since the days of John Crapper.
 

MrBingo

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Send em to university and let em be a doctor or an engineer so he can be a millionaire( or something similar) later on and start spending money on sps and mps like u and me :)
 

krayjee

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I am trying to get my nephew to consider career optiions other than university

Why go to university just to go into debt and then make less ?

Become a fireman and go to university part time if you insist on learning stuff you will never even use in conversation before you forget it :rolleyes:

One alternative idea is go to boot camp - you do not sign the army contract until after boot camp - get toughened up, make a couple of grand and get a bigger perspective before making a commitment
University is not just a place to learn, you may not learn much but it's a place to build net work and connections for future life down the road in business world. Boot camp is a good idea to toughen up and learn to be disciplined.
The most important thing is to guide him to choose what he likes best and support him. Like the saying...IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, YOU WILL NEVER WORK A DAY IN LIFE.. and if you like what you are doing, you will always do well and the money comes in automatic.
 

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Being a cop or firefighter is not what I would consider a "trade". I'm thinking Trade = Carpenter, Electrician, Plumber, etc.

Of "the Trades" I think "Electrician" is one of the best.
I agree with Kirk. Electrician is the best choice. I would put plumber at second. Both still are needed in bad times to fix problems.
 

krayjee

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I was just thinkin' how different this thread would be if we were talking about his niece instead of nephew! :eyebrows:

Uh...it'll be a totally different ball game then.
 

blackrock13

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I have 2 friends who over the years have acquired numerous tickets for various trades and they are as busy as they want to be at any given time. This exact question has been discussed a few times among my friend. The top 3 favorites in no particular order tend to be, plumper, forklift operator, and welder.
 

Tangwhich

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I have 2 friends who over the years have acquired numerous tickets for various trades and they are as busy as they want to be at any given time. This exact question has been discussed a few times among my friend. The top 3 favorites in no particular order tend to be, plumper, forklift operator, and welder.
Plumber and welder I agree.. but forklift? You can get a license in 20 mins for $99.
 

blackrock13

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Plumber and welder I agree.. but forklift? You can get a license in 20 mins for $99.
Getting one is easy but a good forklift operator is another thing. The good ones are never 'not' busy. There are forklifts and then there are FORKLIFTS. You don't get near the later with a $99 license.
 

MrBingo

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I agree with Kirk. Electrician is the best choice. I would put plumber at second. Both still are needed in bad times to fix problems.
auto mechanics isn't bad either, better then auto body atleast
 

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Police can retire after 9 years and receive 90% pension (when they reach the retirement age of course)

Firemen work 7 days per month then anything over that is overtime ( 7 * 24 = 168 hours )

Now include benefits in that .........
90% of what? You earn pension based on how many years you put in...and 9 years would get you 18% of your average for your best 4 or 5 years...more or less. A long ways from 90%. Sure, you can retire after 9 years but you won't be getting 90% of your salary...ever.
 

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What is the life expectancy of a cop, fireman ?
It's no better than a CEO, stockbroker, etc. When the reaper wants you, it's over!
 
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