Most departments will pay out full or near full pensions after 30 years. The only way you get 90% pension after 9 years is if you are injured on duty and are permanently disabled.
What is the best trade to go into ?
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They could if they chose to attend. The trade unions and their memberships are much larger than any police service.Better than most I'd say.
More construction workers get killed (far more) than cops every year. They just don't have 10,000 guys at a funeral (getting paid) when a construction worker gets killed on a job site.
He'll finish a degree on-line or part-time. When he's finished as an MP, he'll write a few books, lecture at Harvard and return to Canada as leader of the Liberal Party! Deja VuWhat about the 19 year old who got elected into the parliament... he makes 150k a year now lol
ROTFLMFAO at YOU!Wrong on all points
You sign the contract after boot camp according to the enlisting officer I asked at the EX last year
It is less of a waste of tax dollars than lots of aspects of public school as it is geared to teach you to work and accept responsibility which makes a better citizen . Besides, he may like it and join up and get paid as the Forces teach him a valuable trade
Read the first sentence!
http://www.forces.ca/en/page/training-90
"After accepting a job offer with the Canadian Forces, all new recruits are required to complete basic training. Officer Cadets complete the Basic Military Officer Qualification course over 15 weeks, and Non-Commissioned Members attend the Basic Military Qualification course over 14 weeks."
Yoga Face, you know as much about the CAF as you do about PS retirement. 0!
James, we already been over this The lower numbers of cops being killed on the job may have more to do with the training, support and systems behind them, Is it possible that the deaths on construction sire might be influenced by the fact that number of the workers aren't the brightest tools in the shed.Better than most I'd say.
More construction workers get killed (far more) than cops every year. They just don't have 10,000 guys at a funeral (getting paid) when a construction worker gets killed on a job site.
http://www.cpwr.com/pdfs/CB 4th Edition/28_30 Education and Training.pdf
Educational attainment of employees in construction is lower
when compared with the level of educational attainment of all
other industries combined; this is true also when construction is
compared with other goods-producing industries, such as manufacturing
and mining (chart 28a). In 2005, about 35% of construction
workers had some post-secondary education, while 59%
of the total workforce did.1 These estimates are based on the
Current Population Survey (CPS), in which respondents are
asked about the highest level of education they have reached,
coding each level of formal education attained.
The lower level of formal education for construction is
due, at least partly, to its high proportion of production, or bluecollar
workers, who tend to have lower educational attainment in
all industries. In 2005, 27% of construction production workers
had less than a high school diploma, 45% had a high school
diploma, and 28% had some post-secondary education. By contrast,
in other industries, 19% of production workers had less than
a high school diploma, 47% had a high school diploma, and 34%
had some post-secondary education in 2005.
Cops dont need brains to drive a car, or fire a taser! Thats why most cops are kinda dumb! Im a tradesman, I have 4 trades actually. Stayaway from wood related trades. Toolmakers make good money....hence my handle...as do millwrights and machinists. Loads of work too..if youre good.
I don't know where you gets your facts from HOF.It's no better than a CEO, stockbroker, etc. When the reaper wants you, it's over!
FIREFIGHTERS AND CANCER
POSITION
According to NIOSH, of the approximately 50,000 deaths from cancer in the United States each year, 4%
(20,000) are related to exposures in the workplace. Firefighters have distinct occupational hazards, including
exposure to substances in gaseous form that are cancer-causing agents. Because of this, Firefighters are
more prone than the general occupation to develop cancer.
EXPOSURE
A substantial body of literature now exists on the carcinogenic hazards of firefighting. Cancers can be linked
with specific toxic and carcinogenic chemical exposures to which Firefighters are exposed in the course of
their occupation. Over 70 organic agents were repeatedly identified in smoke at multiple fires. The known
carcinogens in smoke include: carbon monoxide, benzene, hydrogen chloride, nitrogen dioxide, isocyanates,
There is sufficient scientific evidence that demonstrates Firefighters, by occupation have a higher mortality
rate and shortened life expectancy for cancers compared to other occupational illnesses and injuries. These
studies clearly indicate that cancer is linked to the occupational employment of a Firefighter due to the
exposure of smoke, fumes, carcinogens, poisonous, toxic or chemical substances which occur on the job.
Scientists don=t define cancer as a single disease, but as a broad term encompassing 200 diseases found in
distinct body sites. Studies have shown that Firefighters have an excess cancer rate compared to the general
population.
Significant evidence indicates that Firefighters have:
2 times the incidence for brain cancer
2 times the incidence for liver cancer
2.8 times the incidence for colon and rectal cancer
2.5 - 3 times the incidence for bladder cancer
a higher incidence for non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma
a higher incidence for urinary cancer
Plausible evidence suggest Firefighters are at increased risk for:
stomach cancer
prostate cancer
skin cancer
AGREEMENT
Worker's Compensation boards generally have established a history of identifying cancer in Firefighters as
an employment related activity. The California Public Employee retirement System is the largest retirement
system in the United States and they have sated that the addition of a presumptive cancer benefit for
Firefighters has had a minimal effect on actuarial costs to their system (average claim is $14,000). Illinois
adopted presumptive cancer legislation 1984 and found no significant actuarial impact. In Oklahoma, claims
for cancer averaged only $10,000 per claim.
In addition, 22 states, New York City, Canada and New Zealand have adopted legislation that presumes that
if a Firefighter contracts cancer, it is occupationally induced. Presumptive cancer legislation does not
automatically give benefits to a Firefighter who has cancer. Due to changes initiated by the IRS, states with
presumptive cancer laws also have a system of rebuttal. After the diagnosis of cancer is made, it is up to the
employer to demonstrate lifestyles or other factors that put the cancer outside of the occupation.
2007, HOUSE BILL 301
Firefighters have distinct occupational hazards, including exposure to substances in gaseous form that are
cancer-causing agents. The cancer presumptive laws have worked in New York City, 22 states, Canada, and
New Zealand. Firefighters should be educated as to the hazards of their occupation. Currently a bill is
presented to the Florida legislature that would provide for Cancer Presumption for Florida’s Firefighters
(House Bill 301). Additional information is available through the Firefighter Cancer Foundation –
www.ffcancer.org
The average life expectancy of a fireman is 5 years after retirement. The average life expendancy of a male in Canada is nearly 80.
So if cops don't need brains to drive it would be logical that no one needs them either. GOOF, thanks for coming out.Cops dont need brains to drive a car, or fire a taser! Thats why most cops are kinda dumb! Im a tradesman, I have 4 trades actually. Stayaway from wood related trades. Toolmakers make good money....hence my handle...as do millwrights and machinists. Loads of work too..if youre good.
6 Career Choices
University, College, Apprenticeship, Work, Private Training, Military.
If you watch the entire clip, they have spelt Military incorrectly.
I recall the Ontario Government commercials for skilled trades. A young man in his mid-twenties, driving a modest sports car with the license plate: PLUMBR
There are numerous apprenticeship fairs in Ontario:
http://www.apprenticeshipcareerconnections.ca/uploads/exhibitors.html
I have friends, neighbours and acquaintances in various trades and none of them are ever out of work but several work physically hard.
Stonemasons
Bricklayers: I have a friend that could work 12 months of the year; however, he chose not to January-March to recuperate from long hours of work.
Plumbers, Electicians, Millrights, Elevator maintenance, Heavy equipment.
A cousin that is a heavy equipment operator and travels worldwide working.
My best friend flies an airbus and is at the top of the payscale, works 6-8 days a month, received his training at college, later received an MA part-time because he was bored and became a supply teacher for fun.
A cousin that is a naval commander.
An SP that has several trade tickets, renovates, rents and flips properties.
A friend with a grade ten education that is a multi-millionaire in tile industry, owner operator, property owner and landlord in Ontario, Dominican and Florida.
A butcher, who with his siblings took over their parents meat store and turned it into a small grocery chain with all siblings having two stores, catering service, etc and employ 300 people. His wife, an accountant, with her siblings took over their parents paving company which was and is lucrative for them.
Another gent, who started working at McDonald's as a 16 year old and never left! He now owns 8 franchises and is an alumist of:
http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/careers/hamburger_university/our_alumni.html
An SP, who is a post secondary school lecturer.
An Sp, who is a tool and die operator.
I question that I wonder often is really how many university programs are required:
Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers, Engineers. No offence to anyone that has a university education as I'm university educated prior to entering the fulltime workforce.
Many medical programs are in process of integrating between colleges & universities and are awarded degrees. Many colleges offer architectural and engineering programs and many colleges offer accounting and paralegal programs. Good students will be good wherever they attend. Maybe, I'm being too generic, but think about it. Brilliant people will be brilliant or go insane.
I would believe that anyone could be an art, business english, history, home ec, geography, music, phys ed, politics(current events), and/or science teacher. The courses required to do this are: organization and lesson planning as well as behaviour modification, no degree required just ability to communicate, encourage, manage and motivate young people. A teaching degree doesn't make one a teacher. The saying those who can't succeed become teachers applies!
University, College, Apprenticeship, Work, Private Training, Military.
If you watch the entire clip, they have spelt Military incorrectly.
I recall the Ontario Government commercials for skilled trades. A young man in his mid-twenties, driving a modest sports car with the license plate: PLUMBR
There are numerous apprenticeship fairs in Ontario:
http://www.apprenticeshipcareerconnections.ca/uploads/exhibitors.html
I have friends, neighbours and acquaintances in various trades and none of them are ever out of work but several work physically hard.
Stonemasons
Bricklayers: I have a friend that could work 12 months of the year; however, he chose not to January-March to recuperate from long hours of work.
Plumbers, Electicians, Millrights, Elevator maintenance, Heavy equipment.
A cousin that is a heavy equipment operator and travels worldwide working.
My best friend flies an airbus and is at the top of the payscale, works 6-8 days a month, received his training at college, later received an MA part-time because he was bored and became a supply teacher for fun.
A cousin that is a naval commander.
An SP that has several trade tickets, renovates, rents and flips properties.
A friend with a grade ten education that is a multi-millionaire in tile industry, owner operator, property owner and landlord in Ontario, Dominican and Florida.
A butcher, who with his siblings took over their parents meat store and turned it into a small grocery chain with all siblings having two stores, catering service, etc and employ 300 people. His wife, an accountant, with her siblings took over their parents paving company which was and is lucrative for them.
Another gent, who started working at McDonald's as a 16 year old and never left! He now owns 8 franchises and is an alumist of:
http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/careers/hamburger_university/our_alumni.html
An SP, who is a post secondary school lecturer.
An Sp, who is a tool and die operator.
I question that I wonder often is really how many university programs are required:
Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers, Engineers. No offence to anyone that has a university education as I'm university educated prior to entering the fulltime workforce.
Many medical programs are in process of integrating between colleges & universities and are awarded degrees. Many colleges offer architectural and engineering programs and many colleges offer accounting and paralegal programs. Good students will be good wherever they attend. Maybe, I'm being too generic, but think about it. Brilliant people will be brilliant or go insane.
I would believe that anyone could be an art, business english, history, home ec, geography, music, phys ed, politics(current events), and/or science teacher. The courses required to do this are: organization and lesson planning as well as behaviour modification, no degree required just ability to communicate, encourage, manage and motivate young people. A teaching degree doesn't make one a teacher. The saying those who can't succeed become teachers applies!
unless you are a top grad at the u of t, a good industrial trade pays better.Become a lawyer
Blackrock,
There is an inherit risk for certain professions for sure. Sorry I wasn't clearer in my post, cancer isn't discriminatory because of profession.
People that work with chemicals and toxins have similar scenarios of contracting cancers from exposure.
There is an inherit risk for certain professions for sure. Sorry I wasn't clearer in my post, cancer isn't discriminatory because of profession.
People that work with chemicals and toxins have similar scenarios of contracting cancers from exposure.
I have my forklift license (it's not what I do regularly, but occasionally I have to use one).. it sure as fuck isn't a trade. There are good forklift drivers out there to be sure, but to look at it as a great career is nuts.Getting one is easy but a good forklift operator is another thing. The good ones are never 'not' busy. There are forklifts and then there are FORKLIFTS. You don't get near the later with a $99 license.
top grads at UofT are not the most successful financiallyunless you are a top grad at the u of t, a good industrial trade pays better.
remember an old adage: A students become profs, B students become judges, C students make all the money
What it's meant to be is a way to be working, as part of one of your skill set.I have my forklift license (it's not what I do regularly, but occasionally I have to use one).. it sure as fuck isn't a trade. There are good forklift drivers out there to be sure, but to look at it as a great career is nuts.
Again check your facts. Working with chemicals is not the same as walking into an unkown clouds of gaseous muck nearly ready to explode and blow up a neighbourhood. I've worked with chemicals on many occasions, but not knowing what they are, worrying about an explosion, if I don't get the tanks loaded or if the fume cupboard fails, at which time I walk away, is not high on my list. Firemen work with these chemicals in their most exposed and volatile state.Blackrock,
There is an inherit risk for certain professions for sure. Sorry I wasn't clearer in my post, cancer isn't discriminatory because of profession.
People that work with chemicals and toxins have similar scenarios of contracting cancers from exposure.
Quality Control Inspector at a Whorehouse?
Ya, I heard there were high levels of heavy metals found in make up. Oh, sorry.
There is no salary, just all you can eat..................................sloppy seconds.Ya, I heard there were high levels of heavy metals found in make up. Oh, sorry.
Electrician...one of the best trades. Pretty clean compared to being a plumber and you can branch out in lots of ways - industrial, residential or even into PLCs and controls for systems.
Another might be home security systems and home theatre installs and wiring.
HVAC Technician is also pretty good - furnace sin winter and AC in summer and not quite so technical.
If your nephew does a trade, he should also do some business courses or get a college business degree as well - set for life he is is half smart and good at working with people as he could start his own company and employ other apprentices, juniors to do a lot of the work.
These are not jobs that can be out sourced overseas and you can work locally so not much of a commute etc.
Another might be home security systems and home theatre installs and wiring.
HVAC Technician is also pretty good - furnace sin winter and AC in summer and not quite so technical.
If your nephew does a trade, he should also do some business courses or get a college business degree as well - set for life he is is half smart and good at working with people as he could start his own company and employ other apprentices, juniors to do a lot of the work.
These are not jobs that can be out sourced overseas and you can work locally so not much of a commute etc.
