Why is there so much violent crime in America?
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And if you look at the 10 cities I link above I think you'll find another correlation.danmand said:
You might have a hard time explaining why Hong Kong and Singapore have lower rates than Western Europe with almost no welfare system.
BTW, while I'm sympathetic to your charming liberal view, I think it's 100% wrong in this case.
OTB
Given that over half the population of Toronto is classified as “visible minority”, I think there is a problem with your thesis.onthebottom said:
In addition, a little known fact is that crime rates (per 100 000) are often higher in smaller centers (which tend to be more homogeneous) than big cities. I am not sure if the higher general crime statistics also apply to murder but I suspect they do.
BTW, I have not read all four pages of posts so it is possible someone has brought up these issues already.
That was me being a smart ass to a prior post.someone said:
The real problem in the US is black on black violence.
If you look a few posts above you'll see a list of the top 10 cities in the US by murder rate.... all decent size cities.
OTB
Put on top of that, HIGH & Growing US crimes rates, the fact the US has the highest percent of their population in Prisons, seems to indicate there is something very wrong in the USA, no????....onthebottom said:
I would bring back self supporting prisons.WoodPeckr said:Put on top of that, HIGH & Growing US crimes rates, the fact the US has the highest percent of their population in Prisons, seems to indicate there is something very wrong in the USA, no????....
I would bring back self supporting prisons.WoodPeckr said:Put on top of that, HIGH & Growing US crimes rates, the fact the US has the highest percent of their population in Prisons, seems to indicate there is something very wrong in the USA, no????....
Hey I will not apologize for taking a hard line on crime. Your method has failed.WoodPeckr said:Not surprising at all!....
Am I missing something? I seem to recall editorials (television/newspaper) and comments on TERB about the rising crime rate in Toronto and that the later was tied into the former.someone said:
The crime rate goes up and down and is actually much lower than in the 1970s. When it comes to serious crimes murders and bank robberies, a small change in absolute numbers can lead to a significant percentage change in a given year due to the small base. I recall one year when a single offender was responsible for something like a 25% increase in bank robberies. Yes, a lot of the murders are black on black but the numbers are still much lower than in the United States. Moreover, the crime rate in Toronto is also lower than a lot of smaller more homogenous communities in Canada. I don't have time to look up the number right now, but I recall unbelievable number of armed robberies when I lived in St. Johns.Aardvark154 said:
Edit: see http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/06/28/crime-stats.html.
"New statistics suggest overall crime rates in Canada are highest in small urban areas, perhaps debunking the assumption that big cities are more dangerous.
The overall crime rate in small urban areas — home to at least 1,000 people — was 43 per cent higher than in large urban areas with a core of at least 100,000, indicates the Statistics Canada study of 2005 crime rates that was released Thursday. Only in Quebec were crime rates higher in bigger cities.
Rates of total violent crime, total property crime and break-ins were also highest in small urban areas, while robbery and motor vehicle theft were more common in large cities, the federal agency reported.
Robbery rates for large urban areas were twice those of smaller cities and nearly 10 times those of rural areas, defined by the study as places that don't qualify as either large or small urban areas.
Keeping with a 10-year trend, homicide rates were highest in rural areas. Taking population into account, the rate of 2.5 homicides per 100,000 people in rural areas was higher than the rate of 2.0 in large urban areas or 1.7 in smaller cities.
The finding is in contrast to American statistics that show homicide rates are highest in large urban areas. A University of Pennsylvania study shows that big American cities have nearly double the firearm homicide rate of most rural areas.
In Canada, the proportion of homicides committed with a firearm was again highest in rural areas, where a rifle or shotgun was the weapon of choice. In large and small cities, handguns were more common.
Homicide, which is considered the most serious of all criminal acts, includes first- and second-degree murder, manslaughter and infanticide.
Rural areas of Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Alberta had the highest homicide rates in the country, the study suggests. In Ontario and British Columbia, rates were higher in large cities.
Of the 658 homicides in 2005 where the location was known, 427 were committed in large urban areas, 135 in rural areas and 95 in small urban areas.
Overall, the highest crime rates were reported in the small urban areas of the western provinces — British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. The lowest rates were observed in rural areas of Quebec, Ontario, Newfoundland and Labrador, and New Brunswick."
I heard a fews years back (so no specific reference) that
There are more hand guns in America than there are people (some obsessive gun collectors I guess), so it is easy to get a piece
You combine that with a huge disparity between the rich & the poor, little social safety net (as the liberals here in Canada call it), an education system geared to the rich & there you go
The "Right to bear arms" is ingrained in the US culture & reinforced by Hollywood
Oh yes I believe some states have mandatory hard liquor and hand-gun nights at the local watering holes.
Man I love my country "Canada"
Most of the good from the US & I do not get shot at
There are more hand guns in America than there are people (some obsessive gun collectors I guess), so it is easy to get a piece
You combine that with a huge disparity between the rich & the poor, little social safety net (as the liberals here in Canada call it), an education system geared to the rich & there you go
The "Right to bear arms" is ingrained in the US culture & reinforced by Hollywood
Oh yes I believe some states have mandatory hard liquor and hand-gun nights at the local watering holes.
Man I love my country "Canada"
Most of the good from the US & I do not get shot at
However, even as you already mentioned I wonder if this is not because smaller numbers of criminals can more easily affect the statistics in places that have a smaller population.someone said:
But you’re talking about crimes per 100 000. I was referring to a greater percentage increase because the total number of crimes were low. E.g. if 70 murders are committed in Toronto, an increase of 7 is 10% even though the total number per 100 000 people has not increased by a lot.Aardvark154 said:
Yes, I see what you are saying but at the same time 100 burglars in Toronto is a great deal different than 80 burglars in shall we say Kingston or Trenton. Five burglars moving to Toronto has nowhere near the impact it would in Kingston.someone said:
It's all in how you look at the statistics. (Lies, damn lies, and statistics - Lord Beaconsfield (B. Disraeli)
I can see your point if you are talking about a specific small town. I agree that you would have a good point if the statistics only referred to Trent. However, I am less convinced if we are talking about many such towns grouped together. For example, the article states “Rural areas of Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Alberta had the highest homicide rates in the country”. IAardvark154 said:
ig-88 said:
Actually access to firearms makes it safer, not more dangerous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ
