Why is there so much violent crime in America?
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Google. It wasn't hard to find. "Murder rate per capita toronto". Feel free to use any of the top three links, they give number ranging from 1.8 to 2.0 (depending on the year in question).onthebottom said:Oh, where did you get the number for Toronto?
The US is highly segregated with a large minority population with a lot of baggage. Also being the 2nd largest capitalist country (behind China), there is a larger gap between the rich and the poor. With a lot of poor = lot of crime.
With all of its faults I will say one thing... There are a lot of people who will lie, cheat, sneak, marry to get into the USA. Some of them are even Canadians I know. That speaks volumes about whether the USA is a place people what to be... high crime and wacky laws and all.
With all of its faults I will say one thing... There are a lot of people who will lie, cheat, sneak, marry to get into the USA. Some of them are even Canadians I know. That speaks volumes about whether the USA is a place people what to be... high crime and wacky laws and all.
That appears to be the BIGGEST problem. However you cited a murder rate of 3.5/100k among whites. That is still nearly double the murder rate in Canada, for all people.onthebottom said:The real problem in the US is black on black violence
So what is your explanation for the horrendous violent crime rate "enjoyed" by citizens of the United States? Don't tell me it's all the fault of minorities; the murder rate among whites is nearly double the Canadian rate.binderman said:Actually access to firearms makes it safer, not more dangerous
I started this thread for this reason--if it isn't all the guns, what is it?
In other words as in the U.K. when people want to kill others they find a way to do so: import firearms - and then ban them - we can run through the types as happened in the U.K., use swords, axes etc. . . - ban those, use long knives - ban those, use regular knives now they are considering banning them as well - good luck eating your steak!fuji said:I imagine the ban was completely ineffective given that handguns are freely available elsewhere in the United States.
Whites in the US include Hispanics.... there is a tremendous amount of drug related violence among legal and illegal immigrants in the South of the country.... not that I don't think the non-hispanic white US population would have a higher murder rate - we're better shots.fuji said:That appears to be the BIGGEST problem. However you cited a murder rate of 3.5/100k among whites. That is still nearly double the murder rate in Canada, for all people.
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Have you every considered regionalism? If not might I suggest Dr. David H. Fischer's Albion's Seed I believe he is spot on.fuji said:So what is your explanation for the horrendous violent crime rate "enjoyed" by citizens of the United States? Don't tell me it's all the fault of minorities; the murder rate among whites is nearly double the Canadian rate.
I started this thread for this reason--if it isn't all the guns, what is it?
The murder rate in the UK is 2.03. In your opinion what is it they're doing right that the US is doing wrong?Aardvark154 said:In other words as in the U.K. when people want to kill others they find a way to do so: import firearms - and then ban them - we can run through the types as happened in the U.K., use swords, axes etc. . . - ban those, use long knives - ban those, use regular knives now they are considering banning them as well - good luck eating your steak!
They have the good sense to not boarder Mexico.fuji said:The murder rate in the UK is 2.03. In your opinion what is it they're doing right that the US is doing wrong?
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Because you can very easily buy one in neighboring Virginia.onthebottom said:Handguns have been banned in Washington DC for years (although that was just overturned) yet the murder rate was sky high? Why?
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Isn't that the excuse I hear from Canadian's about the US?viking1965 said:Because you can very easily buy one in neighboring Virginia.
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I love the U.K. but you think the U.K was a better place to live for the middleing and lower sort than the U.S. or Canada from the 18th through the early 20th centuries? Apparently you may not have a) read much about late 17th through mid-19th century British History b) have as long a family history in North Americafuji said:The murder rate in the UK is 2.03. In your opinion what is it they're doing right that the US is doing wrong?
How is this related to your question, for the same reason that the USMC did not have to spend nearly the time developing marksmen as the British Army and that most USMC Marines could shoot to a higher standard than British Army specialists. The same was true of various units of the CEF that is why the CEF were the shock troops of the British Army during the First World War.
They regrettably have arrived largely in a police state. When the Government can have the Police raid opposition parliamentary offices, without the slightest justification and in violation of centuries of political development, and senior police officers are so ignorant that they don’t even comprehend what it is they are doing. . .fuji said:The murder rate in the UK is 2.03. In your opinion what is it they're doing right that the US is doing wrong?
The less freedom, the more "peace" it is possible for one to have.
Which "affluent" areas, which aren't also ironically "poor" areas, are you speaking of?fuji said:I think the gun control + socioeconomic factors explain why the murder rate is so high in poor areas.
Then there remains the question of why it is so high in affluent areas. While it is substantially lower than in poor areas, it is still a lot higher than the Canadian rate.
I suspect that in affluent areas it is simply the lack of gun control that leads to the violence.
However maybe somebody has a different explanation.
Big cities like New York, Miami, and L.A. have high crime, but are obviously a mix of rich and poor. Is there rampant gun violence in Palm Springs, Scottsdale, and Aspen that we should know about?
People don't commit crimes simply because they have guns.
The most common motives are love/sex, drugs, and money. Those are the things that lead to the violence. The access to guns just enables it.
Yes, and to a certain extent, they're absolutely right.onthebottom said:Isn't that the excuse I hear from Canadian's about the US?
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Entirely true!viking1965 said:The most common motives are love/sex, drugs, and money. Those are the things that lead to the violence. The access to guns just enables it.
You can argue that firearms enable more killing, but most people don't use automatic weapons. The experience in the U.K. was ban pistols, people who have access use long guns. Restrict long guns (or short cut for those without access to long guns) people use edged weapons, restrict edged weapons and people use blunt objects.
The bottom line is homicidal people are homicidal people.
Perhaps the right response is to require scopes or laser sights to cut down on unintended targets?Aardvark154 said:Entirely true!
You can argue that firearms enable more killing, but most people don't use automatic weapons. The experience in the U.K. was ban pistols, people who have access use long guns. Restrict long guns (or short cut for those without access to long guns) people use edged weapons, restrict edged weapons and people use blunt objects.
The bottom line is homicidal people are homicidal people.
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Except that the murder rate in Canada is also roughly 2.0, same as the UK. In fact that is about the average for all Western democracies. It is not the case that the UK is somehow different.Aardvark154 said:The less freedom, the more "peace" it is possible for one to have.
It is the US that is somehow different.
Peace, Order and Good Government.fuji said:Except that the murder rate in Canada is also roughly 2.0, same as the UK. In fact that is about the average for all Western democracies. It is not the case that the UK is somehow different.
It is the US that is somehow different.
Perhaps there is a reason why "Wall Street" is on Wall Street and not on Bloor Street.
